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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    - you can use OpenGL on Aero just fine
    False, only through special implementations. Aero 'shuts off' for half the legacy applications out there, and in some cases, OpenGL.

    Don't see that in Compiz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    ICD stands for Installable Client Driver. Which makes your statement an oxymoron.
    So you don't know the difference between what an ICD provides and what DDI provides. It originally tied back into how microsoft wanted to make it more difficult to implement OpenGL on windows.
    Microsoft are allowed to do this of course, but it in no way shows which API is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yotambien View Post
    HOW INTERESTING

    If you go to detailed statistics for that add-on, you'll find:

    a) The average daily users currently amounts to about 400,000
    b) The breakdown by OS for Sep. 2010 shows:

    WINNT: 6,945,962
    Darwin: 1,209,132
    Linux: 1,182,127


    This further convinces me that the effect of changing the user-agent string in browser statistics is absolutely minimal.
    The problem has long been fixed on Microsofts behalf and thus the use agent switcher is no longer needed, so indeed no surprise

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirv View Post
    So you don't know the difference between what an ICD provides and what DDI provides. It originally tied back into how microsoft wanted to make it more difficult to implement OpenGL on windows.
    Microsoft are allowed to do this of course, but it in no way shows which API is better.
    COME ON, man, libGL works the same way on Linux. Must you always see conspiracy theories everywhere?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazetsukai View Post
    They reached it through underhanded deals and by selling software they didn't even have at the time. And they strongarmed their way into the 90%+ desktop share.
    That's what "outmaneuvered" and "outsmarted" refers to. It was a dog-eat-dog situation and they managed to come out on top.

    Also, their software did work (or people wouldn't have used it).

    They're terrified of Linux in alot of ways- its the only software stack enroaching on all of their markets simultaneously. Linux competition is so fierce that they have to fight not just for a companies as a whole- they have to undertake the impossible task of trying to force it out of the different departments of their own customers. Even the majority of Windows-only IT shops have a Linux box sitting around doing a task of one nature or another.

    To stop this competition they have not only given away product, they've subsidized projects that would otherwise involve free software like Linux, and forced their biggest OEMs by offering heavy price reductions on their OS to manufacturers who sell their products exclusively. They have a team dedicated to 'outbreaks' of non-Microsoft products in the OS space, and have specific escalation guidelines for Free Software. At the point of these escalations, they're no longer selling software, they're forcing it on organizations by making deals impossible for other companies to make. This isn't a normal, fair, or sustainable business model, and it will eventually fail.
    While I agree in essense, Microsoft won't be toppled by desktop linux anytime soon. The change is coming from different avenues (Google, Intel/Nokia, Samsung, etc from their mobile appliances).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kazetsukai View Post
    False, only through special implementations. Aero 'shuts off' for half the legacy applications out there, and in some cases, OpenGL.

    Don't see that in Compiz.
    I happen to be an OpenGL developer and I can ascertain that this is completely wrong. Aero doesn't "shut off" unless (a) you draw to the frontbuffer or (b) you explicitly instruct it so.

    Regurgitating FUD much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    COME ON, man, libGL works the same way on Linux. Must you always see conspiracy theories everywhere?
    People have shown you documented areas where microsoft have used various tricks to lock people in to D3D, and reduce the effectiveness of OpenGL on windows, and you're refusing to believe it.
    This was a business choice by microsoft to further their own graphics stack, and get more people locked in to using windows. It didn't make D3D better than OpenGL (not at the start, though by continually pushing it, D3D was made better for a little while). And at the end of the day, the only people really using D3D are game developers; the scientific community still favours OpenGL. Get used to it. Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V!NCENT View Post
    The problem has long been fixed on Microsofts behalf and thus the use agent switcher is no longer needed, so indeed no surprise
    So do you agree or not that the number of people playing with the user-agent string is not a valid criticism of web browsing statistics to estimate OS' usage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    I happen to be an OpenGL developer and I can ascertain that this is completely wrong. Aero doesn't "shut off" unless (a) you draw to the frontbuffer or (b) you explicitly instruct it so.

    Regurgitating FUD much?
    No; a sucking nVidia driver.

    We've been through this before, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yotambien View Post
    So do you agree or not that the number of people playing with the user-agent string is not a valid criticism of web browsing statistics to estimate OS' usage?
    I both agree and do not agree.

    The web statistics for the years people needed the user agent switch trick do not count. The other years do count. 2010 counts.

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