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    Default VP8 vs. h.264

    It seems that the writing is on the wall for flash. It may take many years, but ultimately it seems to be slowly bleeding while html5 is strengthening. One thing that isn't so clear is whether or not open source video/audio will be the winner. Most html5 news I've read seems to indicate that h264 is winning the codec war. Is there much hope for VP8? Also, I've been wanting to find a good, easy to understand quality and performance comparison between the latest h264 and VP8 encoder/decoders. Does anyone have any information on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prescience500 View Post
    It seems that the writing is on the wall for flash. It may take many years, but ultimately it seems to be slowly bleeding while html5 is strengthening.
    I doubt it, with Flash now supporting GPU decoding. Most people want Flash because it works for them. That's Windows users mostly, but as we all know, those are who really matter.

    Flash will be there for a long time to come.

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    I completely agree that flash will remain for a long time. I suspect that new stuff will begin to use html5 by default in a couple years. Stuff that's currently using flash may continue to do so for many years. It's been many years, yet there are still "lots" of divx video out there on the internet. I believe flash will hang on in much the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prescience500 View Post
    I completely agree that flash will remain for a long time. I suspect that new stuff will begin to use html5 by default in a couple years. Stuff that's currently using flash may continue to do so for many years. It's been many years, yet there are still "lots" of divx video out there on the internet. I believe flash will hang on in much the same way.
    I believe that new stuff will also use Flash. HTML5 lacks codecs. It has a video tag, but it doesn't say what codecs are supported. The only browser right now that plays all codecs is Chrome. The rest either supports only H.264 or only Theora.

    But with Flash, H.264 is guaranteed to be supported. regardless of what browser is used. Flash is a sure bet compared to HTML5. Also, H.264 is much better than Theora (better quality, lower bandwidth). I'd hate to see sites using Theora.

    Furthermore, it will take time for all users to switch to HTML5 browsers. I suspect that HTML5 will not be a real option for at least the next 6 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealNC View Post
    But with Flash, H.264 is guaranteed to be supported. regardless of what browser is used. Flash is a sure bet compared to HTML5.
    Flash will support VP8, so that's a non-issue.

    Also, H.264 is much better than Theora (better quality, lower bandwidth). I'd hate to see sites using Theora.
    Yeah, because H264 youtube is such high quality... Youtube could switch its 240, 360 and 480p videos (what *everyone* watches) to Theora and none would be the wiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackStar View Post
    Flash will support VP8, so that's a non-issue.
    I think you meant HTML5 will support VP8?

    Yeah, because H264 youtube is such high quality... Youtube could switch its 240, 360 and 480p videos (what *everyone* watches) to Theora and none would be the wiser.
    Actually, what people watch is 720p when it's available.

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    Saying that h264 is winning is not even logical. The war hasn't even started since Firefox 4 isn't even released yet and because the promised version of Adobe flash with VP8 (webm) support isn't released yet either.
    Think about it.
    In a few years over 95% of all browsers will support webm (VP8) because they'll be running flash which will support it. Period. That says it all. Don't even need to mention about the (upcoming) native support Chrome, Firefox 4, Opera and on the youtube site, that VLC and other players support VP8/webm, that as soon as next year hw accelerated VP8 enabled players will be popping up.
    It's the same Google case as with Android and Chrome - after relatively slow the product starts outpacing the competition all over. Same here, waiting for webm enabled Flash, wait 6 months for users to move to it and the revolution is winning.

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    I like Phoronix, but the one thing that is definitely spoiling its forum and pissing off users is the 1 minute rule. Common Phoronix! you're doing sophisticated cloud-related stuff and you can't solve this little critical annoyance? (/end rant)

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    Very true, but I thought that flash will support VP8, but not vorbis or matraska/webm.

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    well its not much of a war is it !, not until BBB Finally patches the x264/FFmpeg Encoder to also produce xvp8 output

    You Do Know that the fastest VP8 Decoder is in fact written by these same Developer's right !

    and the fact that most Flash online content is nothing more than your basic x264 Encoded AVC inside a flv/mp4 container right!

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