AMD's opensource lies exposed

[Qaridarium]

If your not going to write the driver yourself then WTF is the point of turning over the specs if you are going to depend on the same entity to do all the work?

the point is you can get the spec and pay a dev to build your driver with the spec.

you do not need to dev your own driver with the spec by yourself.

[Qaridarium]

[...] If you buy a car and don't have a driver's license and insurance, that's not the car manufacturer's problem. If you buy a pad of paper and don't buy a pen, that's not the paper company's problem. If you eat Mexican food and don't buy some Zantac, that's not Mexico's problem. If the paper company starts giving out cheap pens with every pad of paper, that's certainly nice of them, but you still don't get the right to bitch that the pen isn't a high quality fountain pen. Not unless you actually paid extra for it, or unless the paper was marketed as including an expensive quality pen. [...] You paid for a piece of hardware that includes Windows drivers. If you expected it to have FOSS Linux drivers, that's not AMD's problem. Do you expect AMD to also develop drivers for Solaris, BSD, QNX, iOS, Haiku, Inferno, Minix, Symbian, FreeDOS, etc.? Because AMD never once claimed in any of the marketing material on any product they shipped that those would be supported, so anyone expecting such support has their head lodged somewhere dark and stinky.
AMD includes Windows support with their GPUs. They have OS X support, likely implemented largely by Apple. [...]

really???? what da fuck????

"And you never paid for FOSS Linux drivers. "

yes I do! just because i buy amd cards after they openup the spec. 4 years ago i had nvidia cards in my pc.

first action then pay for that. simple they do action i like then i pay for it.

"Nothing in the AMD marketing or technical specifications for the product you purchased claimed anything about Linux support, much less FOSS drivers."

Linux users don't care about marketing linux users only care about hard work. they release spec's and code thats hard work be sure i give a shit about marketing.

"They have limited Linux support for a limited range of distributions on a limited range of GPUs (FireGL on enterprise distros, mainly). Everything else is unsupported, and if it works, that's just a bonus."

we all know that and this means you get what you pay for! means if your card or notebook is not supportet don't buy it like nvidias Optimus notebook crap-

[deanjo]

the point is you can get the spec and pay a dev to build your driver with the spec.

WTF? Do you think that is what opensource is about? How many times have you hired a developer to do that? How many qualified people would be to code such a driver and how much would you expect to pay?

"And you never paid for FOSS Linux drivers. "

yes I do! just because i buy amd cards after they openup the spec. 4 years ago i had nvidia cards in my pc.

No you didn't. You paid for a finished product with advertised capabilities and that is what they are selling.

Linux users don't care about marketing linux users only care about hard work.

Oh and writing closed source isn't hard work?

they release spec's and code thats hard work be sure i give a shit about marketing.

Doesn't matter if you care about marketing but it is however the basis of what you are buying. You can pound a nail in with a screwdriver but it completely unreasonable to expect that the company has to support or honor any such action. You don't have the right to expect that hiring a carpenter means that he will shovel the snow on your driveway as well. Just because a product has the potential to do something doesn't make it a consumer right.

[Qaridarium]

WTF? Do you think that is what opensource is about? How many times have you hired a developer to do that? How many qualified people would be to code such a driver and how much would you expect to pay?

the only important point is you can! sure if you have the money but you can !

opensource/freesoftware does not mean communism and you get all for free without money.

[deanjo]

the only important point is you can! sure if you have the money but you can !

You can do the same under closed source and there is usually an NDA involved.

opensource/freesoftware does not mean communism and you get all for free without money.

Of course it doesn't, never said that but it is not about being able to pay someone to write code for you either as that can be done under any model.

[mirv]

You can do the same under closed source and there is usually an NDA involved.



Of course it doesn't, never said that but it is not about being able to pay someone to write code for you either as that can be done under any model.

Perhaps, but it's definitely easier to do with open source systems, and in particular for Linux, easier to have it working with future updates to the kernel, changes in X, or other such systems.

[deanjo]

Perhaps, but it's definitely easier to do with open source systems, and in particular for Linux, easier to have it working with future updates to the kernel, changes in X, or other such systems.

How does that make it any easier if you are still relying on the same entity that has all the specs in the first place?

[mirv]

How does that make it any easier if you are still relying on the same entity that has all the specs in the first place?

Because you're not relying on just that. Hardware specs are not drivers.

[deanjo]

Because you're not relying on just that. Hardware specs are not drivers.

You still need specs to create the drivers and that same entity is writing the drivers.

[mirv]

You still need specs to create the drivers and that same entity is writing the drivers.

And what happens if that entity no longer supports the drivers? Or you have a specialised system that their drivers don't work with? You do have the option to modify the drivers yourself, or hire people to do it for you, and that's easier with open specs and open drivers.