AMD's opensource lies exposed

[glisse]

Good question. AMD is lying because they will never deliver opensource OGL3x/4x and video acceleration support to their customers. AMD dropped support for r300 - r500 hardware in early 2009 and they left development of the open drivers to independent developers like marek olsak and corbin simpson. It took them a very long time and tremendous amounts of unpaid hard work to make r300g an OK driver and it still is not ready for mainstream use.
And yes they will drop support for their "older" r600/r700 hardware. And people won't be able to play new games released for linux (OilRush etc) that use OGL3x/4x, or do the magic things available with the html5 WebM, WebGL for a very long time with linux. Because r600-700 development will be shifted to independent devs and that hardware is orders of magnitude more complex than r300-r500 hardware.

The result is people saying:

FUD is so lovely As far as i can tell (and i would like to think that given i wrote r600g i kind of know what i am talking about) there is all the information to write a GL3/4 driver for r6xx,r7xx,evergreen (and their derivative such as fusion), the informations is either in the doc or in the code source (register file), and if anything is missing it's not much more than very easy to guess value such as :
textureformat_RGB888 0x10
textureformat_ARGB8888 0x14
Damm what could be the 0x11,x012,0x13 texture format ? compressed ? floating point ? ...

That being said AMD never committed to do an open source driver, they committed to support the community to do an open source driver and they have done much more than just giving documentations...

[Panix]

This says it all:

http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

AMD doesn't support it. They just pass it over to the community so if enough ppl take initiative, you might get progress in 5 yrs instead of 10.

OSS is a good concept and is an ideal but for wanting things to work, you read this a zillion times so it doesn't matter if you have a card or not. If you read this in every distro forum there is and why they pick the evil Nvidia card.... video and 3D are things a lot of people don't want to sacrifice for waiting for features.

I don't think this is FUD. Not sure why that is the accusation. If it was true OSS, then why take years to get anything working?

[glisse]

I don't think this is FUD. Not sure why that is the accusation. If it was true OSS, then why take years to get anything working?

This is a FUD because he said that there will never be a GL3/4 opensource driver, while there is already all the informations to achieve such things.

[pingufunkybeat]

HD6000 got support 3 months after being released.

That's not "years to get anything working".

The rest (optimisations, OpenGL3+) is dependent on the development of the Mesa infrastructure, and that's not only AMD's responsibility, but also shared with Intel, VMWare, the distros, and volunteers.

[Qaridarium]

take years to get anything working?

"Panix has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space."

i'll try to answer your message but you are full.

[Panix]

HD6000 got support 3 months after being released.

That's not "years to get anything working".

The rest (optimisations, OpenGL3+) is dependent on the development of the Mesa infrastructure, and that's not only AMD's responsibility, but also shared with Intel, VMWare, the distros, and volunteers.

"HD6000 got support 3 months after being released."
But, what does that *mean?*

As for the other statements, I think it's dependent on a lot of variables. All the stars have to align? I guess my point is there must be some reason there's issues or problems with both kinds of drivers. Even if it's 'open', there's a lot of dots that have to be joined.

[D0pamine]

One thing is for certain - whining and bitching gets nothing working!

[pingufunkybeat]

"HD6000 got support 3 months after being released."
But, what does that *mean?*

What do you mean "what does that mean"? It got KMS, Xvideo, xrandr, OpenGL, powersaving, the whole shebang. You can run compiz on it, you can run Doom3 on it, you can run most games on it, you can watch videos, you can do most things.

That *means* that it takes about 2.5 months to get "anything working", and not years.

How many times are you going to be corrected on here?

[sandain]

This says it all:

http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature

AMD doesn't support it. They just pass it over to the community so if enough ppl take initiative, you might get progress in 5 yrs instead of 10.

OSS is a good concept and is an ideal but for wanting things to work, you read this a zillion times so it doesn't matter if you have a card or not. If you read this in every distro forum there is and why they pick the evil Nvidia card.... video and 3D are things a lot of people don't want to sacrifice for waiting for features.

I don't think this is FUD. Not sure why that is the accusation. If it was true OSS, then why take years to get anything working?

FUD much? Seriously, what are you getting on with Panix? The site you linked shows your utter lack of observational skills. Open your eyes and look around a bit before spewing this drivel in a public place.



Note Alex Deucher (an AMD employee) was the last person to modify the same page that you claim "says it all". Check your facts before speading FUD.

[Panix]

Kernel 2.6.38 required. Barts, Turks, Caicos. Cayman support is not available yet.

As for the previous replies... blah, blah, blah... bleh...

Mesa 3D features are....????????? This is just one area of the question marks surrounding the driver support.

Not going to bother with any more replies. Waste of time arguing with ya guys.