Not all Unhappy campers on ati
Instead of a complaint, I want to say I am very pleased to have the OSS drivers with whatever flaws they have. I have an agp HD 4650, and have had to taste the alternative.
I need windows for a fortnight on my box. I have put in XP-sp3. The issues are legion, it seems. Video comes up as a driverless card running at the speed of the clock's hour hand on 800x600 @ 16 colours. Of course windows wants drivers for everything, and keeps shoving that in my face; I have gotten the 11.3 hotfix drivers(Hotfix for the driver not recognizing the card). Point windows at the .inf files, and it installs - eventually. Getting this far wasn't easy. If I touch the resolution, I'm back to 640x480 at 4 colours. If I reboot, I'm back to 640x480 @ 4 colours. If I break wind, I'm back to 640x480 @ 4 colours.
Once at 640x480, I can't set anything because "OK" and "apply" are six inches below the bottom of the screen :-O. I delete the card & shutdown, and I can work at the pace of the clock's hour hand. The pci ids are:
1002:9495 - vga card
1002:aa38 - hdmi sound card
I'll never say a bad word about OSS Drivers again. Not until I forget this. Is anyone out in the ether able to install these %$@! things? I've looked around and there's gigabytes of complaints about HD 4xxx cards, half the pci ids not there, the hdmi audio driver crashes out, if the agp aperature is wrong nothing sets, etc etc. Forum threads last for years with no solutions.
You need to install the win agp driver for your board, otherwise ati drivers will never work.
i have the same card hd4650/agp and yes the opensource driver is the best in my testing... the catalyst11-5/linux also fails in 11.04 (black screen on startup)
its ironically the so called worst driver "radeon" beat the catalyst on windows and linux.
yes sure i have problems to on linux because right now i do only have software rendering with galium3d 0.4,,,
Well, I passed it to my bsce toting windows nerd son, and after half a day, _he_ gave up on it. So I pulled the ATI card, threw in an old nvidia mx-440 and am running fine. Lol. I only need windows for a week or two, then I can restore order. Linux still functions under slackware-12.0 which was set up for the old card.
To come back to the (off topic) start of this from Page 1 or so.
I had to revert to windows again for an hour. I tried this, trawled my hoard of cdroms, and found
Originally Posted by Kano
1. The original Asrock m/b disk (labelled amd-sis as19g) with driver dates around 2002
This offered such useful items as directX-6.1, & Adobe Acrobat-5.0 :-/.
2. The Asus disk for the offending hd4650 video card (2007, with 2009 stuff onboard also).
Installing first the agp driver, and second the video driver, Everything worked like a charm, and survives a reboot. No messing with .inf files. Windows did complain that the video driver wasn't kosher, but I gave that the middle finger. I conclude I have the hotfix version. That leads to the conclusion that the agp driver sent out in XP is the issue. The agp drivers I located are for win98, 2000, ME, & XP, and dated 2002 for the SiS 741/963.
HD Audio never came up, but who gives an <expletive deleted>? I have nothing connected to it.
XP 32 bit should not be a problem with sis. With 32 bit you could even try w7. There was a v driver for it too...
This was all for one labview project because they don't have enough pcs in university where I have returned. Linux has this lovely command - shred, which I am reserving that hd for :-D.
Originally Posted by Kano
To a more relevant topic: I have a son with a masters in music media technology on top of a bsce going on the worldwide job market. His thing is coding: C, C++, OpenGL, directx, flash, etc. and his project was totally graphics (Up on youtube, I think). Where might he send his CV?
What really astonishes me is the stability of the development trees. I'm running kernel 2.6.39-rc4 with drm/mesa/xf86-video-ati from git and everything is completely stable. I haven't submitted a bug report in ages.
Today I tried to install the nvidia drivers for a new GTX 560 board at work.
I don't know why people put up with that crap. Nothing worked out of the box, but that's understandable for such a new card. Installed the drivers form Debian repositories, no graphics. Had to debug from the command line, to find out that the drivers don't support it. Pulled the latest stable drivers from "unstable" (adding unstable tree to sources.list, then removing it immediately after allez!), same thing. Then I find out that I need the 270 beta drivers, which are not even in Debian experimental (at least not in the nvidia-recommended version).
Oh, and the Debian nvidia installation guide has about 300 pages on all the tricks and pitfalls. The nouveau section is a one-liner. It's hilarious, really: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
If anyone starts another rant about how user-friendly the nvidia blobs are, I'll shit on him. I spent half a friggin day, and I still only have a framebuffer. I'll either have to wait for debian unstable to package this stuff (which will take weeks) -- this is the way Linux is supposed to work -- or I download the blob from the nvidia webpage (which has problems with both firefox and webkit) and run unknown binaries as root, thus potentially compromising the system. I'd take installing from git by hand any day.
If nouveau were an option with this board, I'd ditch the blob to hell. All because of some old CUDA code we have, which I /might/ have to touch at some point.