Don't Look For SystemD On Ubuntu Anytime Soon

[phoronix]

Phoronix: Don't Look For SystemD On Ubuntu Anytime Soon

There's a lot happening on the ground in Budapest for the 11.10 Ubuntu Developer Summit. I've been tweeting a bit and will have more information later on published on Phoronix. One discussion though that's also been taking place on the Ubuntu developer mailing list has been about the use of systemd as the init system in Ubuntu or there the lack of...

http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTQxOA

[cb88]

"there the lack of."?!!! seriously?

[LinuxID10T]

Why the hell would they want to use SystemD on Ubuntu? Upstart is perfectly fine. Upstart is also optimized well and polished. See, this bothers me. Just because SystemD is newer, doesn't mean it is better. Also, why change what isn't broken (looks at Ubuntu Unity and Gnome 3)?

[Yfrwlf]

Why the hell would they want to use SystemD on Ubuntu? Upstart is perfectly fine. Upstart is also optimized well and polished. See, this bothers me. Just because SystemD is newer, doesn't mean it is better. Also, why change what isn't broken (looks at Ubuntu Unity and Gnome 3)?

The feature list of sysd looked pretty impressive over upstart. Will be interesting to see it in action in Fedora 15.

[LinuxID10T]

The feature list of sysd looked pretty impressive over upstart. Will be interesting to see it in action in Fedora 15.

Still though, Upstart is polished and well tested. Where as SystemD is brand new and I am going to guess fairly untested. It is odd... With open source, people tend not to upgrade existing software and instead write entirely new software plus whatever upgrade... XD

[RahulSundaram]

Still though, Upstart is polished and well tested. Where as SystemD is brand new and I am going to guess fairly untested. It is odd... With open source, people tend not to upgrade existing software and instead write entirely new software plus whatever upgrade... XD

systemd was born about a year and a half back and has been already through the development cycle of Fedora 14 (originally planned to be default there) and now in Fedora 15, it is the default. It is pretty thoroughly tested. While I wouldn't claim systemd is perfect and bug free, stability isn't a real concern. Ubuntu might want to take it slow because of their investment in upstart and potential migration issues and that is certainly a valid reason to do so.

[amphigory]

No great loss in my opinion -- at least at this point. I've played with systemd on my netbook (running Debian Unstable) and see no significant gains over Upstart in boot time.

I did like the tools in systemd though.

[marrusl]

No great loss in my opinion -- at least at this point. I've played with systemd on my netbook (running Debian Unstable) and see no significant gains over Upstart in boot time.

I did like the tools in systemd though.

I'd love to hear more about what you like about systemd tools in comparison with Upstart. Especially because improved Upstart tools for system administrators is a topic at UDS this week (this Wednesday):

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubu...art-for-admins

[dacresbu]

I think I'll build a Linux from scratch before i use an rpm based system. too bad, fedora tends to have the newest stuff first.

[crazycheese]

SystemD is more efficient than Upstart and has more features. The only problem is mostly lack of time.