Don't Look For SystemD On Ubuntu Anytime Soon

[cl333r]

Still though, Upstart is polished and well tested...

So is X compared to Wayland, but people are still working on moving away from X for good reasons, same with Upstart, SystemD is way more advanced and it's easy to use, so it should be a matter of time (12.10) till Ubuntu moves over, unless the NIH syndrome kicks in as it happens so often with almost all companies and corps.

I'm actually surprised anyone seriously hoped Canonical would go with SystemD as early as 11.10 since 12.04 LTS is around the corner.

[LauRoman]

I think, before they move to systemd, Canonical will try to polish unity for their next LTS. Not to mention the fact that they have to eventually move Unity (which still uses version 2) to GTK3 (not sure if they already announced this yet). Imagine having to update Unity to GTK3, while keeping it neat, and developing new or reintegrating old features and moving from upstart to systemd al in the space of one year (12.04 is the next LTS, right?). That might not be much for companies like Google or IBM or maybe even the likes of Apple but the size of Canonical made even developing the current version of Unity somewhat daunting.

At least this is my opinion. Maybe someone has better insight. Would you have Canonical be all over the place for the next 12 months?

[TheCycoONE]

I think I'll build a Linux from scratch before i use an rpm based system. too bad, fedora tends to have the newest stuff first.

It's probably worth noting that there has been a certain amount of effort getting SystemD to work in Arch Linux. It's not the default, but https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...d#Installation includes instructions to get it running.

I'm lead to believe there's a similar effort in Gentoo, though I'm less aware of it.

[AnonymousCoward]

The reasons being heard, according to the Ubuntu camp, is that changing out Upstart now with Ubuntu 12.04 being an LTS (Long-Term Support) release is too close and that systemd doesn't have any advantages over Upstart.

I'm really surprised that the claim that there are no advantages for Ubuntu to switch to systemd wasn't challenged more by the author of the article. Lennart makes it very clear in this blog post how advanced systemd is compared to upstart. Obviously there is a probably some bias but still, just the ability to restart a service (like apache) without losing any requests is VERY impressive.

I do wish Ubuntu developers would rethink this decision. After all, they have nearly a year to integrate systemd before the next LTS release.

[locovaca]

I'm actually surprised anyone seriously hoped Canonical would go with SystemD as early as 11.10 since 12.04 LTS is around the corner.

You're surprised? You realize this is the same Canonical that shoved a half-assed Pulse Audio implementation into 8.04, right?

[marrusl]

I think, before they move to systemd, Canonical will try to polish unity for their next LTS. Not to mention the fact that they have to eventually move Unity (which still uses version 2) to GTK3 (not sure if they already announced this yet). Imagine having to update Unity to GTK3, while keeping it neat, and developing new or reintegrating old features and moving from upstart to systemd al in the space of one year (12.04 is the next LTS, right?). That might not be much for companies like Google or IBM or maybe even the likes of Apple but the size of Canonical made even developing the current version of Unity somewhat daunting.

At least this is my opinion. Maybe someone has better insight. Would you have Canonical be all over the place for the next 12 months?

Personally, I agree with the decision to wait on considering Systemd but this isn't really one of the reasons. Completely different sets of people work on these two areas.

[matthewbpt]

You're surprised? You realize this is the same Canonical that shoved a half-assed Pulse Audio implementation into 8.04, right?

Maybe they've learned from their mistakes ...

[RahulSundaram]

I think I'll build a Linux from scratch before i use an rpm based system. too bad, fedora tends to have the newest stuff first.

This seems to be purely dogma. Even assuming a serious level of exaggeration to make a point, LFS is in all ways objectively worse as far as package management goes since it doesn't have any. I have heard rational disagreements but since this one lacks any real content, I would have to say, try a recent release and record your problems if any.

[LauRoman]

After all, they have nearly a year to integrate systemd before the next LTS release.

They released half-baked pulse-audio and Unity in that timeframe, a Unity release that has to be ironed out before the next LTS if it is to be supported for, you know, a long time.

[BlackStar]

As a user, not a network administrator or IT, what will SystemD get me if Ubuntu switches over? Can someone please post a very short summary of SystemD vs Upstart from the viewpoint of home user?