I've been away with other projects, but now back to take you down a notch ninez
given that was my first time posting here, and this forum doesn't follow what I'm used to in terms of quoting (and the forum system then proceeded to fight with me posting telling me I'd already posted and such) and otherwise appears to have some quirks to it, that's rather much to be expected.first off, ...Blah blah blah..
No I'd reckon my family was one of those middle class types that couldn't afford to pay that much of a premium on such a thing in the first place. I did however get plenty of experience dealing with the Macs at the school, Slow, buggy, and extremely prone to crashing they were.OS9 multitasked fine (mutlitasking was introduced in system 5) - You obviously never owned a MacOS 9 system, otherwise you would know better.
Did I ever say otherwise? No I only commented that before they took advantage of the holes in the BSD license their multitasking sucked. It took NT for Windows to actually really properly do multitasking and even then it's still kinda meh.microsoft didn't come up with preemptive-multitasking either, it pre-dates Microsoft and was a Unix thing (late-60s).
So what you're telling me is you'd rather save 10 pixels or so to have to give focus to an application before you're able to use it's menu system? Are you really so depraved of vertical pixels you want to give up real usability?your reasoning behind why you think apple uses a global menu is moronic. plain and simple it saves screen real-estate and puts all menu's in one place. Just like Ubuntu's reasoning for moving into a global-menu (not that i use Ubuntu or unity, just saying). you fundementally seem to not understand basic concepts and are delusitional.
I never denied that Microsoft did mergers or bought people out. And just like your beloved Jobs never Actually told people flat out they're holding it wrong, at least as far as I can find. Bill Gates comment wasn't actually that 64K was all anyone would ever need, in full context it was actually about being able to actually handle that much because of limitations of the hardware at the time.Microsoft are the kings of aquisitions and mergers. trying to act like Apple is worse for that, is hilarious. Apple doesn't have anywhere near the buying power of MS. Microsoft has tried their best. Bill gates thought there would be only room for one OS, just like he thought no one would ever need more than 64k of memory
You realize Jobs himself was taken in by the ooh! Shininess of the GUI and he admits himself he didn't see what was really important that they were showing. Simple fact is the home computer hardware of the time wasn't really ready for a Desktop GUI, it was simply too slow for any real work.yes, Apple borrowed ideas from Xerox, which was great! - being as Xerox Exec's didn't seethe value in the technology
Microsoft didn't invent it only in the sense that Linus didn't invent *nix, and they actually dropped all outside code by their second version of DOS, and NT to my knowledge is all theirs...and if you want to go one about crap like that - microsoft didn't even invent their own OS - they bought what was essentially a derivative of CP/M. Most of the hardwork being done at the time, was actually done by Gary kildall of Digital Research
That's like saying that IBM and Microsoft developed DOS together, that they had a partnership. It's only true in the sense that IBM or Apple in this case was paying for it.Intel AND Apple developed thunderbolt together, they have a partnership - you are an idiot
No they've always been geared at people who shouldn't be allowed near a computer in the first place. Creative professionals only went with Apple after the other proprietary vendors collapsed under market forces because Apple was using PPC and thus RISC which was more suited to what they needed to do. It had absolutely nothing to do with the OS in fact the Amiga was the platform of choice for media professionals before Commodore went out of business.No, Apple historically has always been into bringing innovation to their platform, they have always been geared towards creative professionals and ease of use.
Good for you, I know any number of people who can say the same thing for Windows as well. Doesn't mean the platform was safe.I ran OS9 for quite a while (years in fact) - no viruses ever. macOSX no viruses ever!
That was more a remark upon their fanbois actually than upon Apple itself. Of whom I've seen claim basically everything under the sun as having been done by apple first.. what is this Soviet Russia?you can say that Apple takes credit for everyone's work, and i can't totally disagree with that, to be fair.
Didn't say that did I? I said they pushed them. I.E. They furthered the development of them not They Invented them.also, microsft nor Apple invented the tablet, or even the concept for that matter - i believe conceptually, the Dynabook (Alan Kay/Xerox)
Windows has about the best security model you're going to get in terms of a proprietary system, AV and other Anti-malware support was dropped into the hands of third party vendors meaning that instead of having the OS company controlling everything and expected to do security work, you hand it off to a bunch of different companies who can and are competing and so it's less waiting on one person to fix everything. And it's a given in security that all non-closed systems are insecure, and so reaction time, not OS design is what really matters in the end run (not to say that OS design doesn't greatly help, but that it's a given it's going to be broken), which is why Linux is and forever will be King, Microsoft will come in when we finally start counting proprietary OSes and OSX will come in near last because their users are relying upon Apple itself to do the fixes.yes, Mac's aren't as secure as linux - but a Mac can be hardened if that is your goal. that's is a non-issue for anyone who understands what is required in hardening an OS. Windows is an insecure piece of junk. Win7 is the 1st version of windows that actually is working towrads having better security model.
The word old and your fascination with Apple implied to me that you stopped using it, Looks like I was wrong however a 5770 works just fine on another machine we have here with Gallium, performance may be slower than the blob and it's not doing powersaving stuff (which had us put it back on the blob), but it was working just fine.About Mesa/Gallium3D - you should learn to read properly - I was talking about Mesa using ATI hardware. I use Nvidia with the "Blob"... ( i have several machines at work and home).. Also, I run ArchLinux(bleeding-edge) and am using THE LATEST BUILT FROM GIT - 4 DAYS AGO! I highly doubt too too much has changed in four days.
Clearly you didn't read what I actually said here it is for you again:Microsoft DID NOT invent TABS, nor was it apart of the guidelines and specifications..
While not being the first to design them, they have been the first to do wide scale adoption of tabbed toolbars also known as ribbons
That's all a matter of perspective really, and here's a hint for you of what really happened, which OS are you really running now on your Mac? Mac OS or NeXTSTEP? (hint: It's the latter one)NeXtStep didn't take over Apple, Steve jobs went back to Apple and bought Nextstep
Actually their DE looked rather much like a ripoff of Sun's to me personally, and the BSD and Mach code they took they didn't develop themselves.. so that counts out NeXTSTEP itself..If you look at the technologies involved in the NextStep project, what was actually developed either by NeXT or were independently on the nextstep platform - they were way ahead of the curve! by almost a decade
That's funny I could have sworn I could access Teh Interwebs on my old Commodore 64. Yes yes, it's right here in the manual about the accessories you can get for it.the World Wide Web was designed on NeXTStep, so was the first web-browser.
Actually I only picked out a few things, you're the one making it out to be MEGA-LIST.anyways, educate yourself. it's pretty obvious that you know little to nothing about the history of conputing. maybe you weren't alive then, or maybe you-re just an ignoramous - either way you don't know shit! you keep making claims that microsoft has come up with so many things
Um sorry but they still don't have proper compositing and I covered this right here:nor did they have proper compositing until Vista
Proper compositing for me means Useful, not showy effects.Also their compositing for multitasking from what I saw is also rather inferior to the KDE versions of the same effects. From a Windows perspective that would be one thing in its favor, but who ever said Aero actually did anything useful?
onto Zeepal as he's next in posting line that I want to address before I get back to you ninez
So wait.. you're going to get onto me about this when I wrote and clearly stated my objections based in points and ranging from supporting to being derisive towards windows and supportive of KDE and Linux, but you're going to let Ninez who posted an angry rant (mine was a rant fine, but it hasn't shown the absolute anger ninez has by comparison) and has been showing off pure Apple Fanboism off the hook on thisReally this argument is sounding so political, but who cares what politics say, it's what is there that matters and is actually useful.
now back to ninez
I will conceed that I am politically opposed to completely proprietary system and this is why I'll never buy an Apple or a console, at least Microsoft allows open hardware and thus can be considered the Lesser of those two great evils.The conversation may be politcial for those two - but for me - i will point out when someone is posting mis-information, whether it is about microsoft, linux MacOSX or whatever - which both Vincent and Luke_wolf are doing in a big way
Many of your Apple Fanboi defensive reactionary assumptions about what I was saying are incorrect and totally false.many of luke's history is incorrect and totally false
Covered in a previous post, which your lack of defense in regards to my points indicates your inability to defend against them.OSX has got ease of use
Now back to zeepal
Oh that explains it!Hey yeah that more directed at V!NCENT and Luke_Wolf, I agree with what you said, and personally have an iPhone 4 (JB) OSX for Multimedia
Okay here's ninez again
Except for certain things like the Mac GUI few things are not *designed* to be the best at what their target is, doesn't mean they are, just means they were designed with that target in mind.you also have shown you don't know much about NT...making such claims as NT was designed to be the best distributed OS - is retarded!
Actually it's rather brilliant for tablets, I don't see it working worth a damn on much else though. I do think that Plasma Active should come up soon enough with something that's going to be even better for tablets though.the Win8 interface is nothing special
Oh I'm pretty sure I could name a few...I don't think anyone here is an "Apple advocate"
Just because someone hates Apple doesn't mean that they're a windows fan-boy, just look at the FSF.A mis-informed Apple-hater/windows-fanboy
Being good doesn't mean you're the best. Just as one being the best doesn't automatically mean the rest are utter trash.If NT was as good for this type of purpose, as you think. NT would be running every super-computer
and now onto deanjo
They've only recently moved off of their core 2's that they've been sitting upon for the past forever and a half, so his assertion isn't that off the mark even if it is itself out of date.Four year old specs eh?
and I'll concede on cases for now, although I'm still trying to figure out what exactly is making the macbooks so heavy, which the answer might be held in
And more general to the Appleites
just what is up with the keyboards on the macbooks? couldn't they be bothered to scale the (Rather meh, but then no company makes keyboards like IBM which Lenovo inherited) keyboard? I mean even on the 17" one it's still the same size and still missing some of my most valued keys.. the numpad.
(hopefully I'll fit within the 20000 character limit this time)