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Thread: PathScale Open-Sources The EKOPath 4 Compiler Suite

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    Quote Originally Posted by energyman View Post
    only if you want to compile closed source software while being too cheap to buy a licence.
    erm, no... From what i can tell, the real problem here is potentially not being able to redistribute (opensource) binaries compiled with EKOPath's compiler. making this compiler pretty much useless to most distributions (not source-based distro's or Arch though), and also useless 4 FLOSS developers. Which is very similar to Intel XE compiler restrictions... Intel's compiler is free for personal/non-commercial use, but needs to be licensed for commercial use (or even redistribution of compiled code any kind). it would seem EKOPath is almost the same thing, except (most) of the code is licensed under free licenses, it's opensource and the compiler itself is re-distributable. (unlike XE/icc).

    on top of that if you do require a license for commercial use - to be able to redistribute code compiled with it - you're probably looking at paying the license fee listed on the PathSCale website for the suite a whopping $1750 US, that may be cheap for a decent size company, but not for an individual developer in free software, it's not by any stretch of the imagination...

    so far, XE compiler seems to be way more compatible with GCC than EXOPath, as in i can't get all sorts of crap to compile with EKOPath than i can easily compile with XE and judging by benchmarks of binaries produced with both, it would seem that for most stuff ICC gets similar performance... a commercial license from Intel also costs much less than what 'potentially' a PathScale license would cost.

    are you willing to pay almost $2000 Us for a compiler?!?!?

    im not.

    codestrom might be able to verify, whether this is true or not - but it sounds like i might not be too far off-target on what i think the potential problems with EKOPath might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninez View Post
    erm, no... From what i can tell, the real problem here is potentially not being able to redistribute (opensource) binaries compiled with EKOPath's compiler. making this compiler pretty much useless to most distributions (not source-based distro's or Arch though), and also useless 4 FLOSS developers. Which is very similar to Intel XE compiler restrictions... Intel's compiler is free for personal/non-commercial use, but needs to be licensed for commercial use (or even redistribution of compiled code any kind). it would seem EKOPath is almost the same thing, except (most) of the code is licensed under free licenses, it's opensource and the compiler itself is re-distributable. (unlike XE/icc).

    on top of that if you do require a license for commercial use - to be able to redistribute code compiled with it - you're probably looking at paying the license fee listed on the PathSCale website for the suite a whopping $1750 US, that may be cheap for a decent size company, but not for an individual developer in free software, it's not by any stretch of the imagination...

    so far, XE compiler seems to be way more compatible with GCC than EXOPath, as in i can't get all sorts of crap to compile with EKOPath than i can easily compile with XE and judging by benchmarks of binaries produced with both, it would seem that for most stuff ICC gets similar performance... a commercial license from Intel also costs much less than what 'potentially' a PathScale license would cost.

    are you willing to pay almost $2000 Us for a compiler?!?!?

    im not.

    codestrom might be able to verify, whether this is true or not - but it sounds like i might not be too far off-target on what i think the potential problems with EKOPath might be.
    More useful than codestr0m or anyone from PathScale would be to get the Free Software Foundation to evaluate the license landscape around EKOPath and provide an opinion to the general public. The FSF has real lawyers (or more accurately, the Software Freedom Law Center) who can make a reliable determination. Any public opinion they release won't constitute personal legal advice, of course, but generally their findings are reliable enough that the free/open source community developers can take their word for it without needing to pay for a personal lawyer. Just look at the number of people who take their advice regarding projects that are less ambiguously licensed under the licenses in the FSF's license directory. I'm not saying they are incapable of error, just that their opinion gives me about the same level of confidence as I'd get from hiring a lawyer for personal legal advice. And since this subject matter pertains to software licensed under one or more free software licenses, they have an intrinsic reason to be interested.

    codestr0m already said that (1) he's not a lawyer and doesn't like to talk about licenses and (2) the information he *can* provide is extremely standoffish, and from what I can tell it boils down to "release your software under the GPLv3 or else contact your lawyer and/or buy a commercial license". This may, in fact, be what the decision boils down to, but I'd rather hear it from the SFLC than from him.

    I'll send them an email and inquire about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allquixotic View Post
    More useful than codestr0m or anyone from PathScale would be to get the Free Software Foundation to evaluate the license landscape around EKOPath and provide an opinion to the general public. The FSF has real lawyers (or more accurately, the Software Freedom Law Center) who can make a reliable determination. Any public opinion they release won't constitute personal legal advice, of course, but generally their findings are reliable enough that the free/open source community developers can take their word for it without needing to pay for a personal lawyer. Just look at the number of people who take their advice regarding projects that are less ambiguously licensed under the licenses in the FSF's license directory. I'm not saying they are incapable of error, just that their opinion gives me about the same level of confidence as I'd get from hiring a lawyer for personal legal advice. And since this subject matter pertains to software licensed under one or more free software licenses, they have an intrinsic reason to be interested.

    codestr0m already said that (1) he's not a lawyer and doesn't like to talk about licenses and (2) the information he *can* provide is extremely standoffish, and from what I can tell it boils down to "release your software under the GPLv3 or else contact your lawyer and/or buy a commercial license". This may, in fact, be what the decision boils down to, but I'd rather hear it from the SFLC than from him.

    I'll send them an email and inquire about it.
    that's a really great idea, you should totally do that if it pans out, post a link so everyone else can find out what the deal really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninez View Post
    that's a really great idea, you should totally do that if it pans out, post a link so everyone else can find out what the deal really is.
    OK, I sent them an email with a directed set of questions and a link to the repository and the press release. Hopefully they'll release an opinion on the SFLC Blog. Check frequently at http://softwarefreedom.org for the result. I will contact Michael at his email address as soon as I hear back from the SFLC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allquixotic View Post
    OK, I sent them an email with a directed set of questions and a link to the repository and the press release. Hopefully they'll release an opinion on the SFLC Blog. Check frequently at http://softwarefreedom.org for the result. I will contact Michael at his email address as soon as I hear back from the SFLC.
    awesome stuff, I love your pro-active nature - it's sweet

    i'll keep an eye out for tan update.

    thanks again, and cheerz!
    Last edited by ninez; 07-09-2011 at 02:20 PM.

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