More than 20% green energy new Record in Germany

[Qaridarium]

At least I can read and write.

That does not contradict anything which I wrote. Specifically, the rates are determined based on production costs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...Payment_scheme Without the government telling utility companies to buy the electricity at higher-than-market rates, the entire thing would collapse. Oh wait, it already does: http://www.sfv.de/artikel/wirtschaft...ener_nasen.htm (Google Translation)

you are still a liar and wrong!
the law does not give you a higher price that it is worth ! NOT!
the LAW forces you to give the energy at a lower price than it is worth! YES!
the LAW forces you to give up 20% of the real worth to feed this to big companies to there profit!
and after the payback time the law forces you to give the energy much cheaper than that means near by zero! means 90% less than its worth to feed big companies more profit !
and the merit order effect prove this!
the big companies stole 20% from the green energy producers!
thats the dirty DEAL in Germany! green energy is only allowed in the therm of condition to be cheaper than normal energy and to give 20% of the worth to the big company to feed them and there inhuman profit!

green energy is 20% cheaper than normal energy but the big companies don't give this back to consumers they get the full price and make even more profit !

but the green power is innocent! and the merit order effect prove this!

and you are a liar!

[xyzone]

Looks like the fossil fuel industry shills and fanboys are everywhere.

[yotambien]

Looks like the fossil fuel industry shills and fanboys are everywhere.

To that I want to comment that it wasn't until Fukushima that I realized people can be fanboys of absolutely everything--including a particular source of energy...

[V!NCENT]

It's not always easy to decrypt your posts. But are you saying that you have your own power plant?

1. Energy consumption makes electrical meter turn in the positive direction (provided you have got an analog one);
2. Plant solar panels on roof and make meter spin backwards by supplying the net with your own electricity;
3. Negative price to pay;
4. Profit.

[chithanh]

the law does not give you a higher price that it is worth ! NOT!
the LAW forces you to give the energy at a lower price than it is worth! YES!
the LAW forces you to give up 20% of the real worth to feed this to big companies to there profit!

This is still not contradicting what I said. Without the EEG law, you would get what utility companies would be willing to pay, which may or may not be what it is "worth". The law gives you the rates based on production costs, which is higher than market rates in most cases. That is why you get more EUR/kWh for photovoltaic than for wind energy, even though they could be considered "worth" the same from a superficial perspective.

green energy is 20% cheaper than normal energy but the big companies don't give this back to consumers they get the full price and make even more profit !

That is not because the German government makes the renewable energy artificially more expensive, but because other non-renewable forms of energy (nuclear, coal, etc.) benefit from heavy subsidies directly or indirectly.

you are still a liar and wrong!
and you are a liar!

At least I am able to comprehend what I read.

[mantielero]

Germany is leading (and others are following!)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ower-windfarms

;oP
PS: for sure Germany does better on steady production.

[Qaridarium]

That is why you get more EUR/kWh for photovoltaic than for wind energy, even though they could be considered "worth" the same from a superficial perspective.

this is just wrong the solar power plants only get more money because they work as a "grid peak load power plant" on 12 o clock wenn the suns is on highest point.

the wind mills get less money because there energy is not usable as a "grid peak load power plant"

and again there is no subsidy, there is a pay-where the consumer saves money!

the german consumers save more than 2 000 million euro in 2006 because of the green energy and the merit order effect!

but yes the consumers never get any cent because the big companys just make more profit.

[Qaridarium]

this is just wrong the solar power plants only get more money because they work as a "grid peak load power plant" on 12 o clock wenn the suns is on highest point.

the wind mills get less money because there energy is not usable as a "grid peak load power plant"

and again there is no subsidy, there is a pay-where the consumer saves money!

the german consumers save more than 2 000 million euro in 2006 because of the green energy and the merit order effect!

but yes the consumers never get any cent because the big companys just make more profit.

At least I am able to comprehend what I read.

you are still wrong and a liar! because you don't get the point that the solar power plants have the ability to replace a peak load power plant and a peak load power plant is much much much more expensive!

[tball]

Well 21,9% of Denmarks produced electricity came from windmills in 2010 and it is even higher today. Thats without taking solarpower or any other green way of producing electricity into account.
So I guess Denmark beats Germany in the production of green energy.

[chithanh]

this is just wrong the solar power plants only get more money because they work as a "grid peak load power plant" on 12 o clock wenn the suns is on highest point.

That claim is not based in facts. The solar power plants even contribute to a reduction of the market price for electricity. The peak of electricity demand is also around 1 hour away from the peak of solar power production.
http://www.epexspot.com/en/market-da.../2011-09-09/DE shows the development of the electricity price for Germany in the last 2 days.
If operators had to sell solar power at market rates, they would only get between 50-75 EUR/MWh, not the 211-273 EUR/MWh that they get thanks to the German renewable energy law. Legacy installations get even higher prices, up to 400 EUR/MWh because of grandfather clauses.

and again there is no subsidy, there is a pay-where the consumer saves money!

The higher prices that utility companies pay for renewable energy are added to consumers' electricity bills.

you are still wrong and a liar! because you don't get the point that the solar power plants have the ability to replace a peak load power plant and a peak load power plant is much much much more expensive!

If you click a bit around the website I linked to above, you will see that countries without solar power have much higher electricity prices at noon. So the advent of solar power actually destroys its own opportunity to sell electricity at high prices. In Germany the share of solar power would collapse to the levels of neighbouring countries without government intervention.

The guaranteed selling price for electricity is the most effective way on a large scale to increase energy production from renewable sources. It is superior to all other methods, such as quotas (such as merit-order alone) and tax credits.