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    Quote Originally Posted by AnonymousCoward View Post
    This is Jörg Haider, no? Isn't he dead now?
    Closer then I was to guessing who it was. I was thinking "Man, did the "Hoff" actually sober up?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidicas View Post
    I mean to say... The German Pirate party is looking to do things like banning DRM and forcing people to use Open Source everywhere.. I don't think this is the right approach at all.. People should have a choice as to whether they want to run Open Source or DRM. You can't go around ramming this down people's throats as nothing good will ever come out of it..
    I want to see people use non-DRM technologies and Open Source everywhere because it's BETTER and not because some Pirate party decides that they're going to force everybody to use it, whether they like it or not..
    These radical parties focus so much on these ideals that they lose sight of the more important things.. It's not just about non-DRM or open source, it's about delivering quality software and features to people that the people like to use..
    When you do things like killing off copyright and ramming open source / non-DRM tech down people's throats, it's more harm than good.. As you're taking away people's rights to choice.
    and because why you compare the pirates with Hitler? just because they are against DRM technologies and they are for Opensoure solutions ?

    you make a joke right? you really call the civil rights party Pirates to be like Hitler?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidicas View Post
    Germans like to vote for the radical extremist underdogs,
    Most of your post is highly inaccurate especially this part. The 'radical extremist underdogs' have no power and most of them get banned. Germans like to vote for mainstream parties like every other 'democratic' country. As far as I know, they are the SPD/CDU etc. These parties in Germany have them on a road to collapse and they take away Germans' rights and liberties. Anything considered 'extremist' is controversial and potentially criminal. But, the worst part is that Germans have faith in these 'pro-EU/Euro' politicians who want to sacrifice their people to ensure these elites and bankers profit and retain their influence within the global/euro-centric sphere.

    They are in bed with special interest groups, globalists, bankers etc. etc. Germans keep voting for them, right? I haven't heard of any 'radical extremist underdogs' making any noise or having any influence. Anything that is expressed contrary to the 'mainstream' messages is labelled extreme. Look at Farage in the U.K.

    "The debt crisis in the EU periphery has already brought Germany's growth rate to a near stand-still and we are not even close to seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. (Italy is already in a downward spiral and France is tittering at the edge - the economies of these countries make the deficits of Ireland and Greece look like short change)."

    Exactly! I didn't state those countries won't collapse. Any collapse will include other countries and encompass the entire region. It will be global. The U.S. is a good example of how one country's collapse will influence others. But, Germany has the unique experience of being requested to bail out other countries with a central role (i.e. significant burden or share).

    "I don't particularly want to get involved in online political arguments, since that's about as productive as stuffing cats into microwaves, but Obama attempted to follow through on many of his campaign promises. He has been hampered by the most childish and incompetent congress in US history."

    But, you did anyway? Obama lied and continues to lie. Obama ran on a platform to 'be different' from the previous regime but is still in Iraq. More or less, he's continued the same policies. He increased the debt and brought it to about 14 trillion.

    It's convenient to blame on others such as Congress. Just pass bills that are sure to be declined or rejected and continue the rhetoric that you are a savior. Distract and blame tactics for a dulled populace preoccupied with being fed mainstream nonsense. Pretty much like most places.
    Last edited by Panix; 09-26-2011 at 08:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    and because why you compare the pirates with Hitler? just because they are against DRM technologies and they are for Opensoure solutions ?

    you make a joke right? you really call the civil rights party Pirates to be like Hitler?
    Well real "pirates" were never about open source nor drm. They were all about pillaging anyone they could for their own benefit ( and that meant pillaging anyone, not just the privileged ).

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    Sidicas View Post
    Germans like to vote for the radical extremist underdogs,

    Quote Originally Posted by Panix View Post
    Most of your post is highly inaccurate especially this part. The 'radical extremist underdogs' have no power and most of them get banned. Germans like to vote for mainstream parties like every other 'democratic' country. As far as I know, they are the SPD/CDU etc. These parties in Germany have them on a road to collapse and they take away Germans' rights and liberties. Anything considered 'extremist' is controversial and potentially criminal.
    thank you for your post.. you are right and Sidicas is just wrong.

    there are radical extremists in Germany the so called "NPD" but they do have not many voters.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...rty_of_Germany

    they only do have 2-5%

    Sidicas isn't well informed in German politics.

    radical extremist underdogs in germany are : MLPD (kommunism) NPD (nationalsocialism)
    less radical are : Die linke(socialism), Rebuplikaner (strong nationalism)
    underdrogs but not radical are: Green party (save the mother nature party), Pirates (save the zivilian rights party) and FDP (i'm to rich for germany party)

    and the mainstream partys: SPD is the mid-left party )Democrates in the usa( and the CDU mid-right party )Rebuplikans in the usa(

    in an USA voting system there would only be SPD (democrates) and CDU (Rebuplikans)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    in an USA voting system there would only be SPD (democrates) and CDU (Rebuplikans)
    There are more political parties in the US then just the Democrats and Republicans. It's just that they get no where near the support that the two main stays.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States

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    Quote Originally Posted by deanjo View Post
    There are more political parties in the US then just the Democrats and Republicans. It's just that they get no where near the support that the two main stays.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._United_States
    i know that i only translate it into simple English words.

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    The national debt of the United States is almost 15 trillion dollars. (Yes, trillion.) This isn't an amount that can be paid back any time soon. And it goes up by almost 4 billion dollars per day. This shows that debt is not the most important factor. If your economy is good, debt doesn't matter that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    do you know that the german pirate party is the "Internet-Party" the "human-Right-Party" they stand for strong human rights...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_...ment_worldwide

    the pirate party is a worldwide movement ... and no German national movement.
    If they're really for human rights, why is the pirate party trying to dictate to people what they should and should not be using instead of giving people choice? Do you think people are not smart enough to make the right choices and so need a pirate party to dictate to them what they should be doing? What's going to happen to peoples' right to choose between DRM and non-DRM after the pirate party bans DRM?

    How are they going to be expanding "Human rights" when they have absolute goals like banning DRM and in doing so limiting people's choices... Certainly a lot of companies will just decide to not do business in Germany if Germany takes that course of action..

    It's not just DRM either, they're going to be cutting into the copyright law as well. Significantly reducing how long somebody can claim ownership over works that they've done.

    It might sound nice for open-source software, but it can significantly damage copy-left because the GPL license that you put on your source code can be removed and replaced with whatever license any corporation or individual wants once your copyright claim on the code expires. So basically everything becomes public domain and all the nasty things that foreign corporations can do (taking your source code, making a tiny change to it to make it incompatible and then hiding the source code) they'll be able to do more easily because your copyright expires sooner.. Copy-left depends heavily on copyright and here the pirate party is saying that they're planning to significantly cripple copyright law..


    The whole pirate party just seems like it's half-baked to me.

    Despite all the buzz words that have been thrown around for the pirate party, I just can't see how they're going to accomplish what they say they're going to accomplish by doing what they say they're going to do..
    Last edited by Sidicas; 09-26-2011 at 11:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidicas View Post
    If they're really for human rights, why is the pirate party trying to dictate to people what they should and should not be using instead of giving people choice? Do you think people are not smart enough to make the right choices and so need a pirate party to dictate to them what they should be doing?
    People do not choose for DRM. It's something that the big content mafia are trying to impose on the people. But I guess you are okay with that, businesses imposing things, as long as it's not done by democratically elected officials, no we can't have that...

    Well a lot of people are not okay with that and some of them even vote for political parties who have such issues high on the agenda. If you don't like it don't vote for them but Hitler comparison means you lose anyway.

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