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    Phoronix: KDE Releases Plasma Active One User Experience

    The KDE team has announced this Sunday the release of Plasma Active One, a touch-screen-focused tablet user experience...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=OTk4NA

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    And note that compared to gnome and ubuntu assholes (yes assholes, call me troll or anything, buts its true), this is inteface for tablets and its not forced on desktop users.

    MS, which seems to do same mistake will pay for it too, and I bet first thing most w8 users will do is to get metro out of their way.

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    We see this because KDE is more of a framework rather then just a desktop environment. It's flexible enough to be optimized for tablets , pc's , netbooks , phones , pretty much what ever form factor you feel like. KDE right now is by far the most advanced framework available for Linux. Not to mention Qt is better then Gtk. It just is. You know it I know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgstoian View Post
    It's flexible enough to be optimized for tablets , pc's , netbooks , phones , pretty much what ever form factor you feel like. KDE right now is by far the most advanced framework available for Linux.
    Too bad it's riddled with ridiculous little bugs that take away all the usability it potentially has. I'd really like to like KDE, but after using it for a few months I just can't. If you don't do anything with your computer it looks like an awesome Desktop Environment, but as soon as you try to get any real work done everything falls apart and Plasma implodes...

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    When is the last time you used KDE ? And I hope it wasn't on Kubuntu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgstoian View Post
    When is the last time you used KDE ? And I hope it wasn't on Kubuntu.
    I never even touched kubuntu. If I was going to use KDE then it had to be with a real KDE distro, so most of my experience came from openSUSE (11.2-11.4) and Arch. On OpenSuse it was a little less broken. On Arch, the "pure" kde experience was really awful. I mean, at first it was wonderful and everything seemed to be working perfectly, but after a few months of updates stuff started to get broken. I filed lots of bug reports and some of them only now are beggining to get acknowledged as Confirmed, and a few seemed to have received fixes for 4.8, about 6 months after I last used KDE (and 10-14 months after they were filed). Well, 6 months is nothing compared to the 9 years of the most hated bug (until recently).
    The problem with KDE is that the devs don't seem to give a crap about their users. Just look at the list of most hated bugs, most often reported and most wanted features and you can clearly see that almost all of them aren't major showstoppers but all add up to make KDE look like an unpolished and buggy mess. Most are all small things that tarnish what could otherwise be a very complete and capable DE.

    @Maxim Levitsky I use linux because it is way more capable than windows. On windows you need to go out and find a program for everything because the OS by itself is useless. I also like the security and the ability to open almost all files and access almost all filesystems out there. Just the other day I downloaded a few SPC files (those are SPC700 sound files, commonly known as SNES music files) and of course in windows (on my cousin's PC) it was necessary to find a program that would read them. On Ubuntu? They worked out of the box on Totem. Also, most linux file managers are eons ahead of what can be found on Windows and MacOS. Dolphin in particular is the best file manager I've ever used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgstoian View Post
    When is the last time you used KDE ? And I hope it wasn't on Kubuntu.
    I have used KDE 4.7 on Archlinux (which means it is pretty much vanilla) for some time now and I agree.

    Colored subpixel hinting is one of the things that annoy me very much.
    plasma-desktop uses it no matter what settings: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190627
    Maybe this isn't a bug in KDE itself but as this bug has been open for 2.5 years I believe they should just put in a workaround.

    Since the update to 4.7.2 a few days ago KDE introduced this new bug:
    https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281088

    At least plasma-desktop itself is somewhat stable now. They even fixed the segfault when shaking the panel a but to the bottom while resizing that has been in there since 4.0! But it still sometimes vanishes, but apparently without a segfault.
    And I nearly forgot the bug that the taskbar sometimes fails to order all entries in one line as I have set in the settings. It will leave out a place and instead put an entry in a second line (since 3 major versions ago): https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=224447

    Some random applications I use on KDE:

    Akonadi... Well, at least it doesn't spam my logs with segfaults anymore. If anybody wonders, it looked like this:
    Code:
    localhost kernel: [33266.779159] akonadi_agent_l[10315]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f774a7e1856 sp 00007fff7c4549d0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f774a667000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [33266.808308] akonadi_agent_l[10316]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fc2de55c856 sp 00007fffdd15ee70 error 4
    localhost kernel: [33266.808314] akonadi_agent_l[10317]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f2a86427856 sp 00007fff3cda8dd0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7fc2de3e2000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [33266.913378] akonadi_agent_l[10320]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f0754331856 sp 00007fffba5fb980 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f07541b7000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1221.804303] akonadi_agent_l[1100]: segfault at 7f00d517beb0 ip 00007f00e0091ba8 sp 00007fff80709ce8 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f00dfcc0000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1221.810826] akonadi_agent_l[1101]: segfault at 7f910b102eb0 ip 00007f9116018ba8 sp 00007fff9fb5ab18 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f9115c47000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1221.814405] akonadi_agent_l[1099]: segfault at 7f5d36b7eeb0 ip 00007f5d41a94ba8 sp 00007fff581ff618 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f5d416c3000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1221.816889] akonadi_agent_l[1126]: segfault at 7f2889cf6eb0 ip 00007f2894c13ba8 sp 00007fff00bc8bf8 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f2894842000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1238.003004] akonadi_agent_l[2229]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f83485f7856 sp 00007fff2cf0da80 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f834847d000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1238.034117] akonadi_agent_l[2227]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fb49d380856 sp 00007fffc189c5a0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7fb49d206000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1238.034192] akonadi_agent_l[2228]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f6d30203856 sp 00007fff927949f0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f6d30089000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1238.128459] akonadi_agent_l[2232]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f049d674856 sp 00007fffffa2da00 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f049d4fa000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 6382.271163] akonadi_agent_l[1174]: segfault at 7fd623ff7eb0 ip 00007fd6331e7ba8 sp 00007fffca875c98 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7fd632e16000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 6382.278069] akonadi_agent_l[1175]: segfault at 7f03d6465eb0 ip 00007f03e137bba8 sp 00007fff524c96f8 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f03e0faa000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 6382.282640] akonadi_agent_l[1194]: segfault at 7f8720da4eb0 ip 00007f872bcc1ba8 sp 00007fff50a7d768 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f872b8f0000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 6382.284357] akonadi_agent_l[1176]: segfault at 7f3e72fd2eb0 ip 00007f3e7dee8ba8 sp 00007fffb11349e8 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f3e7db17000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 2267.195903] akonadi_agent_l[1211]: segfault at 7ff814283eb0 ip 00007ff81f199ba8 sp 00007fff07d510c8 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7ff81edc8000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 2267.203174] akonadi_agent_l[1231]: segfault at 7fc6e8312eb0 ip 00007fc6f322fba8 sp 00007fffe4476888 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7fc6f2e5e000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 2267.212038] akonadi_agent_l[1212]: segfault at 7f691fc9ceb0 ip 00007f692abb2ba8 sp 00007fff77a2f198 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f692a7e1000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 2267.212440] akonadi_agent_l[1213]: segfault at 7f726e6e6eb0 ip 00007f72795fcba8 sp 00007fff84d1a738 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f727922b000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 2268.737592] akonadi_agent_l[2999]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f1ae8d97856 sp 00007fff0eff22d0 error 4
    localhost kernel: [ 2268.737598] akonadi_agent_l[3000]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f3fcc155856 sp 00007fff20f53920 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f3fcbfdb000+280000] in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f1ae8c1d000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 2268.737649] akonadi_agent_l[3002]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f97ebd72856 sp 00007fffeec31e60 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7f97ebbf8000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 2268.738366] akonadi_agent_l[3001]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fa927213856 sp 00007fff70c5fef0 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.4[7fa927099000+280000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1572.431718] akonadi_agent_l[1145]: segfault at 7f214255feb0 ip 00007f214d475ba8 sp 00007fffeb58ea58 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f214d0a4000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1572.431819] akonadi_agent_l[1147]: segfault at 7f082cc86eb0 ip 00007f0837b9cba8 sp 00007fffbc013808 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7f08377cb000+a41000]
    localhost kernel: [ 1572.440044] akonadi_agent_l[1146]: segfault at 7feca85deeb0 ip 00007fecb34f4ba8 sp 00007fffd6066f78 error 4 in libQtGui.so.4.7.4[7fecb3123000+a41000]4670
    etc.
    (The spoiler tags would be good sometimes)

    korganizer didn't sync my google calendar in 4.7.1 (and akonadikonsole segfaulted when I tried to find out why) and that has been fixed in 4.7.2. Yay.

    knode... Get a message rejected by the newsserver and edit it to send it again. It won't have the identity selected you have set in the knode preferences as default. I believe it will have the first identity in alphabetical order. Way to prevent leaking a private email address into usenet.

    akregator... I still can provoke a crash. And it sometimes fails to even put the feeds into the right category. Feeds from Scienceblogs.com sometimes get duplicated into blog.fefe.de for example...

    Guess what happens when you put a calculation that will take a long time to calculate in the qualculate plasmoid? Indeed, it freezes the whole plasma-desktop inclusive the panel(s) while it is calculating. Ever heard of threads?

    Desktop Effects are still not as performant as they should be. I do feel that the OpenGL (and GLES) effects are much slower than XRender with an i5 480M@2,67 ghz + HD 6550 on mid profile with mesa git which I believe should not be the case. Were there not people telling us that kwin did not have performance problems? How come they will get fixed then?
    http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blo...-at-60-frames/

    Oh and kdm can still not open kwallet on login.
    Feature Request from 2004 (!): http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92845


    Don't get me wrong: KDE is an awesome project. With KDE 4.7 I have changed from XFCE to KDE and have used it nearly daily since then. It is not unusable anymore. But nobody can deny that it has tons of issues. Just look at some of the still open bug reports. It's just that they are not so grave to make it unusable anymore.
    As for plasma active: Yes, amazing. But only if it works well. I do have to wonder whether KDE can afford to maintain yet another project as the work on the main tools is not yet done...
    Not to say they don't make progress. For example in 4.7.1 plasma-desktop would segfault when trying to set it to the grid workspace. In 4.7.2 it finally works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devius View Post
    Too bad it's riddled with ridiculous little bugs that take away all the usability it potentially has. I'd really like to like KDE, but after using it for a few months I just can't. If you don't do anything with your computer it looks like an awesome Desktop Environment, but as soon as you try to get any real work done everything falls apart and Plasma implodes...
    I really have to agree. KDE has many bugs. But its a living.
    I rather use a DE that is user friendly that DE that is bug free and forces things on me.

    To draw a parallel, Well windows has even less bugs that Gnome, and if you really want to its possible to shield yourself from most of its shortcomings (e.g most Linux programs have windows versions), yet we don't use it, because we want something free, really free. Gnome is free, but the attitude of developers and general inability to maintain fork of this scale, means that its GPL source is of little value.


    (Speaks a user that used Gnome for 4 years, but now really became sick of its developers attitude)

    In summary, I rather have bugs that I can fix, than features that I can't fix unless I fork major parts of the source, and have 0 chance anybody will use them due to install complexity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by devius View Post
    Too bad it's riddled with ridiculous little bugs that take away all the usability it potentially has. I'd really like to like KDE, but after using it for a few months I just can't. If you don't do anything with your computer it looks like an awesome Desktop Environment, but as soon as you try to get any real work done everything falls apart and Plasma implodes...
    Sadly i must agree. I'm not big fan of Plasma. It's resource hungry (on low end Nvidia card /w 256MiB RAM I'm often forced to kill plasma-desktop to free some pixmap cache video memory, when working with lots of windows), CPU intensive and lately (KDE 4.7.X) very buggy (task manager, folder view, notifications (since forever) plasmoids).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gedgon View Post
    Sadly i must agree. I'm not big fan of Plasma. It's resource hungry (on low end Nvidia card /w 256MiB RAM I'm often forced to kill plasma-desktop to free some pixmap cache video memory, when working with lots of windows), CPU intensive and lately (KDE 4.7.X) very buggy (task manager, folder view, notifications (since forever) plasmoids).
    For what its worth, I can run KDE 4.6 on an old laptop with a 32-bit Turion single core processor, 512MB of system memory, a 4200RPM (!!!) 60GB IDE hard drive, and a graphics chip so old it benches as slightly behind the desktop graphics card I had in 1999. I've never had to kill the desktop (!!!) or anything of the sort. This is with the slower open source driver (my integrated graphics are too old for proprietary driver support) and with the standard graphics effects enabled along with my beloved wobbly windows. :-) Maybe I'm just spoiled by OpenSUSE, I don't know....

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