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    Default Barnes & Noble vs. MS, android patent issues

    Found here when reading the news coming home from work
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    http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/17721...n-android.html
    but the very publication here on Groklaw
    http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296

    Barnes and Noble finally was able to get the very patents public that MS was sueing Android suppliers about. Didn't read it all, but according to the news they're trivial. Well, we didn't expect much else, did we?
    So maybe they can be rendered invalid and then MS will no more gain money from every Android installation. (They make more money with patent licenses than with their WP7)

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    yes only FUD with trivial patents ...

    i think only fat32 matters and andorid4.0 do not use it anymore because of this.

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    I'm not a coder but even the FAT stuff shouldn't be too bright, MS sometimes just used the longer than 8.3 naming scheme as a big invention.
    Though not using FAT, well, a lot of end users still use VFAT since 90% of all USB-sticks etc. come with it and most cameras use it as file system on flash cards.
    Even TomTom iirc. was sued about the use if VFAT inside the navi devices.

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    The MS innovation tax is just another good old fashioned racketeering/shakedown of the competition. They can't compete by making good products, so they try to make good products more expensive than theirs through patent "royalties". Apple does the same thing to try to make Android illegal to sell in the US. They fear it because it's already outselling Crapple OS Mobile at more than a 2 to 1 ratio.

    It should be illegal, unfortunately they own so many US politicians and judges that it never will be.

    Apple and Microsoft can only compete the same way Al Capone did, you pay your "protection" money and he'd call off the enforcers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adarion View Post
    I'm not a coder but even the FAT stuff shouldn't be too bright, MS sometimes just used the longer than 8.3 naming scheme as a big invention.
    Though not using FAT, well, a lot of end users still use VFAT since 90% of all USB-sticks etc. come with it and most cameras use it as file system on flash cards.
    Even TomTom iirc. was sued about the use if VFAT inside the navi devices.
    the problem with fat is its proved a valid patent by the highest German court.
    this means you can maybe ignore it outside of Germany but you lose the German market.
    in the USA its the same.

    so in fact for germany you need a fat32 free version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    yes only FUD with trivial patents ...

    i think only fat32 matters and andorid4.0 do not use it anymore because of this.
    Why would you use FAT?

    It can't be technical merit unless this is 1982.

    Seriously though, I think it's stupid to pay MS patent tax on FAT when these idiots at companies like Sandisk could just use Ext2, install a Windows userspace driver for it, and not owe SweatyB anything.

    The only possible reasons you'd use FAT is if you care about Windows or that's all the device supports because the manufacturer is stupid. It's such an ancient pile of crap. So much overhead, so unreliable. Microsoft tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaemonFC View Post
    Why would you use FAT?

    It can't be technical merit unless this is 1982.

    Seriously though, I think it's stupid to pay MS patent tax on FAT when these idiots at companies like Sandisk could just use Ext2, install a Windows userspace driver for it, and not owe SweatyB anything.

    The only possible reasons you'd use FAT is if you care about Windows or that's all the device supports because the manufacturer is stupid. It's such an ancient pile of crap. So much overhead, so unreliable. Microsoft tax.
    ask google. i think its because the most consumer do have windows and they wana sell smartphones to windows users.

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    Exactly that is what I wonder: Why is every camera, USB stick file system and everything else using FAT?
    And yes, I wonder why nobody ever thought about using any free FS and just writing a Windows driver for it. And if they're afraid of the GPL there'd probably be some BSD licensed FS.
    But I guess they're all too lazy and to have everything readable out of the box for MS Windows users they stick with this horribly old FAT. Not enough critical mass, not enough burden, not enough MS tax yet as it seems.
    In the heise.de user forum everybody complained when exFAT arrived and first vendors jumped on that stupid train.
    Problem is probably that vendors are not unified and need an external source to set/dictate their standards. One company alone will not leave the row and step out and go with ext2 or whatever. Seems they all need to step at once or it needs a few brave pioneers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adarion View Post
    Exactly that is what I wonder: Why is every camera, USB stick file system and everything else using FAT?
    Because FAT is the only universally-supported file system, because it's simple and well-understood and comes included with Windows.

    Sure, you could install a ZFS driver on Windows, but good luck getting every Windows user to install that when they buy a digital camera.

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