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    @bridgeman
    SID is ALWAYS and forever the unstable disribution it has no version I don't think "experimental" has a name
    Lenny is the current testing for 5.0
    etch is the current stable 4.x
    sarge os the current oldstable 3.1

    when Lenny is released it will become the current stable
    and etch will be depreciated although probably still supported
    before Etch there was Sarge 3.1 and woody 3.0

    the naming follows the naming of characters from the movie Toy Story
    remember SID was the boy that lived next door and mangled toys in his experiments ie strapping them to rockets and the like

    nameing scheme explained in detail here its a good read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases
    Last edited by cb88; 01-30-2009 at 10:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cb88 View Post
    @bridgeman
    SID is ALWAYS and forever the unstable disribution it has no version I don't think "experimental" has a name
    Lenny is the current testing for 5.0
    etch is the current stable 4.x
    sarge os the current oldstable 3.1

    when Lenny is released it will become the current stable
    and etch will be depreciated although probably still supported
    before Etch there was Sarge 3.1 and woody 3.0

    the naming follows the naming of characters from the movie Toy Story
    remember SID was the boy that lived next door and mangled toys in his experiments ie strapping them to rockets and the like

    nameing scheme explained in detail here its a good read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases
    be sure he know that... he is an linux guru...

    ... his point is diverent.. sid is not stable so he do not support sid.

    debian 5 isn't releaset so he do not support debian 5.

    thats the Point. if debian5 comes out in 1 or 2 weeks... he say o yes he try it out and fix the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cb88 View Post
    @bridgeman
    SID is ALWAYS and forever the unstable disribution it has no version I don't think "experimental" has a name
    Lenny is the current testing for 5.0
    etch is the current stable 4.x
    sarge os the current oldstable 3.1

    when Lenny is released it will become the current stable
    and etch will be depreciated although probably still supported
    before Etch there was Sarge 3.1 and woody 3.0

    the naming follows the naming of characters from the movie Toy Story
    remember SID was the boy that lived next door and mangled toys in his experiments ie strapping them to rockets and the like

    nameing scheme explained in detail here its a good read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Releases
    and yes you dispoint the fakt that sid was freeze for debian 5...

    so all new versions.. comes to experimental and sid is the direkt uploard link for the debian 5 devs,.,.

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    Well I guess that supported distribution discussion is pointless. Basically a Xorg driver does not support distribution X but Xserver Y. All problems that occur with any distribution using the same Xserver - because of the same ABI. Debian 5.0 aka lenny is using Xserver 1.4.2 similar to Ubuntu hardy, Ubuntu intrepid uses Xserver 1.5.2 and Ubuntu jaunty will use 1.6 (current RC). As Debian is frozen, sid currently has the same version as lenny, but experimental has now 1.6 RC. So if ATI would just support Ubuntu they basically would support any distro. Last time Fedora was using Xserver 1.5 RC much before Ubuntu so they ignored it... Just in time for release they created a hotfix driver specific to Ubuntu. I don't think that's good style as you could expect that for Ubuntu jaunty too... ATI has OSS Xorg devs and they can surely tell the fglrx people when a new ABI is stable, thats the point a driver should be tested against it - and not several month later.

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    Ah... that makes a bit more sence kano thanks I was thinking Sid didn't freeze (instead of experimental) when in reality it is just a buffer too keep testing from becoming too unstable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Well I guess that supported distribution discussion is pointless. Basically a Xorg driver does not support distribution X but Xserver Y. All problems that occur with any distribution using the same Xserver - because of the same ABI. Debian 5.0 aka lenny is using Xserver 1.4.2 similar to Ubuntu hardy, Ubuntu intrepid uses Xserver 1.5.2 and Ubuntu jaunty will use 1.6 (current RC). As Debian is frozen, sid currently has the same version as lenny, but experimental has now 1.6 RC. So if ATI would just support Ubuntu they basically would support any distro. Last time Fedora was using Xserver 1.5 RC much before Ubuntu so they ignored it... Just in time for release they created a hotfix driver specific to Ubuntu. I don't think that's good style as you could expect that for Ubuntu jaunty too... ATI has OSS Xorg devs and they can surely tell the fglrx people when a new ABI is stable, thats the point a driver should be tested against it - and not several month later.
    thats the fucking right shit :-) and hey your kernel is nice ...

    slhs one runs out of funktion becourse he turn of the catalyst support..

    at this day you save my life with the radeon 6.10 driver :-) the debian sid ones sucks hartly on my hd4350...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cb88 View Post
    debian sid doesn't freeze afaik packages are just migrated from sid to testing after i think 10 days without bug reports
    debian sid is in freeze... the main packages only become bugfixes no new versions... kernel 2.6.26 and so on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    be sure he know that... he is an linux guru...
    I appreciate that but honestly I had never touched Linux before I took on this project -- I'm really learning as I go. I did work with X in the distant past, but that was more than 20 years ago before X11 was introduced and long before Linus even started working on a kernel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    ... his point is diverent.. sid is not stable so he do not support sid. debian 5 isn't releaset so he do not support debian 5. thats the Point. if debian5 comes out in 1 or 2 weeks... he say o yes he try it out and fix the problem.
    It's actually more than that... I'm not nitpicking over whether a particular distro is released or not, I'm saying that right now we test and fix on released versions of RHEL / OpenSuSE (currently v11) / Ubuntu (currently 8.10), and any distro which is similar to those in terms of xorg and kernel is likely to work as well. The chances of fglrx working go down pretty dramatically as you move to newer kernel and xorg contents.

    Kano; I agree that an xorg driver cares mostly about the xorg version, but I believe most of our issues are with the DRI part of the stack, which does care much more about kernel details than xorg details.
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    Are you actually using Linux as your main OS on your computer at all?

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    Yes and no; I still need to run XP to get into most of our administrative systems at the office, and I'm typing this on a Vista system at home right now. I have a second system (running Ubuntu 8.10 right now, although it varies) at the office which I use most of the time, and I bought a second machine to run Linux at home which just arrived and will be unpacked over the weekend.

    I was dual-booting Linux at home and trying various ways to get a reliable modem connection to my ISP, but so far I can only get a reliable connection with the Windows modem drivers. I purchased a network-attached 56K modem but that wasn't able to cope with the noisy phone lines out here in the sticks, which is why I purchased a second PC -- hopefully I can use the Windows modem driver to get a reliable ISP connection then use the Windows box as a router so the Linux system can get connectivity.

    I know you guys all have DSL or satellite but neither of those is an option for me unless I cut down a LOT of trees to get line-of-site to the satellite.

    Given that my official role here is managing the open source project, however, I am running an open source driver (currently radeonhd although it varies) most of the time, not fglrx.

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