Michael, I think we need a "random illogic" forum
Q, even if you believe my responses have been discredited by an unspecified conflict of interest, that doesn't make your statement "right"; at best it moves it from "wrong" to "unknown".
Q keep it up I know for a fact bridgman is LYING, keep fighting the good fight.
Yes thats for sure!
Originally Posted by chris200x9
AMD+Microsoft+Hollywood do have secrets thats for sure and these secrets are not NICE they are for sure against Linux.
And in fact the "HDMI" stuff for the radeon driver shows how bad the contract terms between Hollywood and Microsoft and AMD ARE for Linux!
The Linux users are just THE Losers in this game!
The DRM (Copyprotection) stuff is just another idea and way to hurt Free ideas like Linux and open-source and Freedom!
It's not you or me to defining the truth for the third party readers they can decide for them self what is trueness and was is a lie.
Originally Posted by bridgman
And there is the key-point you don't understand my argument its not illogic it is a argumentum ad hominem.
and again i do not "believe" never! i just point out that the hominem(third party readers) should be the the judge and should judging over you.
"at best it moves it from "wrong" to "unknown"."
guilty persons always try to relative to protect there disguise.
Yes, that system should work fine. Both the open source and the closed source drivers support that chip. If you need HDMI audio or OpenGL 4.x support you'll have to use fglrx for now. Other than that the open source driver should work fine.
Originally Posted by susikala
Q... stop the flame
iam also disappointed that open drivers have many lacks
i dont use hdmi audio [dont even have digital receiver for audio] but it would be nice to have it works
3d acceleration... my bad, cant play even quake live on 4850.... afraid it will never change
video decoding ... my card is fast enough, but it would be nice to have low power usage while watching damn video...
power management... always less powersaving than windows drivers.
I never used a recent discrete AMD/ATI gpu with any flavour of linux. My only experience is with an integrated HD4200 (and a few years ago with a Radeon 9500Pro), and this particular gpu has some issues with Ubuntu's Unity, where it shows awful desktop performance (3D performance in fullscreen 3D-accelerated applications is ok, so if you only need it for games it should work just fine) making it almost impossible to do any kind of serious work. Others have reported the same issues with more powerful gpus, but if you think nVidia is the answer, think again because there have been similar reports from that side as well. These bugs should be fixed in the next ubuntu release. KDE's Kwin performance was also terrible last time I tried it (KDE 4.5). Gnome3 has a few issues like visual corruption of some elements of the desktop (using fglrx; with open source drivers it works perfectly). Basically with this GPU I have to use Unity2D if I want to get a usable desktop, because I really need the extra 3D performance of FGLRX. Oh, and don't think that nVidia is the silver bullet that cures all illnesses because there are bugs and shortcomings in there as well.
Originally Posted by susikala
About Arch vs Ubuntu that all depends on what you want/need/expect from your system. Sure Arch has better performance but it also requires a lot more maintenance and care to keep it running smoothly. I gave up on Arch when, after a few months of constantly updating, my system was getting riddled with bugs that no one else was suffering from and packages were getting broken with missing/outdated dependencies and all that lovely business.
Quakelive performs fine for most people with the open source driver. I'm not sure what's wrong with your setup. As to the rest, we provide a binary Linux driver that supports all of that right now, so there are options to use just about every feature of the hardware you might want to use in Linux.
Originally Posted by NomadDemon
yea, fps is high, but there is frameskipping, very annoying while playing with bots/players, if i walk alone on map, its very ok.
low details reduce frames by 10
vsynch doesnt help, turning it off also
my pc is
phenom II x4 810
4 gb ram
its not weak rig, on closed drivers i can play ok, so it must be open drivers problem.