Japan shut down ALL Nuclear Power plants:

[Qaridarium]

Really? The "I have invented that incredible machine that can do x, but I won't show it to you. Just believe me!" thing?

Did you even read the wikipedia page?

"If this all sounds fishy to you, it should"
"In many ways cold fusion is similar to perpetual motion machines. The principles defy the laws of physics, but that doesn’t stop people from periodically claiming to have invented or discovered one."

you miss the most important point: they are already sell heating plants with that technique.

right now its "house" heating only because 150C is to low in pressure for steam turbines.

this means right now windmills are better for electric energy.

but I'm sure they find a way.

for example they can use it in coal power plants as water preheater from 5C to 98C this save 4% coal.

[Saist]

So... let me get this straight...

People actually think that Nuclear power... which is one of the most fuel efficient energy sources in the world... One of the only truely renewable energy sources in the world... One of the most enviromentally FRIENDLY energy sources... and can produce "freed-hydrogen-molecules" that are used in Hydrogen power cars... is something... to not use?

I'm seriously supposed to believe that citizens of Japan, after watching Nuclear Power Plants over 3 decades of age SUCCESSFULLY survive natural disasters literally in excess of 3 magnitudes more than those Power Plants were ever designed to take... and which were only ultimately damaged due to human error... note... HUMAN ERROR... Don't want to continue using Nuclear Power?

That they want to remove Nuclear power?

Um.

No.

Just. No.

I refuse to believe that anybody can possibly be that stupid. And yes I am saying this on a forum where RealNC posts.

The reality here is that the aftermath of the natural disasters in Japan were ringing ENDORSEMENT of how effective and SAFE Nuclear Power is. If those power-plants had been replaced with ANYTHING that was built in the past 2 Decades, then even Human Error would not have been capable of causing damage.

Quite frankly I am damn proud that the State of Georgia in the US has woken up to just how safe and reliable nuclear power is. I am damn proud that the State of Georgia is beating all of the other States in the United States in increasing it's power-producing capability through a safe and environmentally friendly NUCLEAR POWER

Okay, fair enough, the AP1000 isn't exactly bleeding edge. It's a couple years behind some of the stuff I am aware of Toshiba is producing. That being said the AP1000 doesn't have to fit within the small spaces that some of Toshiba's buried-battery designs are supposed to fit into.

Oh, and Qaridarium... do the rest of the world a favor.

Learn something about Nuclear power before posting on this topic again. Kind of like RealNC I really don't have the time or inclination to smack either of you around.

[Qaridarium]

Nuclear power[...]One of the only truely renewable energy sources in the world.

Dude, are you tripping ? Nuclear power is NOT renewable!

That they want to remove Nuclear power?

the answer is : YES!

its only a matter of time.

I refuse to believe that anybody can possibly be that stupid.

sure the Germans are stupid... NOT!

And yes I am saying this on a forum where RealNC posts.

?? can you please explain me this part? why RealNC do have relevance to this tropic?

The reality here is that the aftermath of the natural disasters in Japan were ringing ENDORSEMENT of how effective and SAFE Nuclear Power is.

Dude, are you tripping ?

Quite frankly I am damn proud that the State of Georgia in the US has woken up to just how safe and reliable nuclear power is. I am damn proud that the State of Georgia is beating all of the other States in the United States in increasing it's power-producing capability through a safe and environmentally friendly NUCLEAR POWER

LOL ? save? LOL.... really you are kidding... or you are tripping...

Okay, fair enough, the AP1000 isn't exactly bleeding edge. It's a couple years behind some of the stuff I am aware of Toshiba is producing. That being said the AP1000 doesn't have to fit within the small spaces that some of Toshiba's buried-battery designs are supposed to fit into.

Your AP1000 is not save by design like a Thorium reactor and this commercial toy do not have "100% passiv convection cooling" this means there is a thermal runaway if some water pumps do have a failure. This means your AP1000 is a TIME BOMB!

in fact there are much more advance Nuclear power plants. for example : http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernkraftwerk_THTR-300

but this is not the point. the point is: even the most advance version is risky!

Oh, and Qaridarium... do the rest of the world a favor.
Learn something about Nuclear power before posting on this topic again. Kind of like RealNC I really don't have the time or inclination to smack either of you around.

the point is the germans prove a much more advance reactor typ WRONG!

you can't build a saver reactor than the THTR-300

this is FACT!

[RealNC]

The battle of the trolls. Sometimes as epic as Gandalf vs the Balrog.

[Qaridarium]

The battle of the trolls. Sometimes as epic as Gandalf vs the Balrog.

maybe you can answer my question what is the problem with Saist and you?

i just don't get it sorry what is the relevance to this tropic ?

[Qaridarium]

Okay, fair enough, the AP1000 isn't exactly bleeding edge.

Wikipedia about the AP1000: "In the AP1000, Westinghouse's Passive Core Cooling System uses multiple explosively-operated and DC operated valves which must operate within the first 30 minutes."

this means if the AP1000 stands in Fukushima the AP1000 also FAILS without difference because the core meltdown in Fukushima was proved in the first 30 minutes!!!!!!

in fact a core can only meltdown in the first 30 minutes on ALL types of Reactors because the thermal energy goes down to save after the shutdown and a time period.

the AP1000 is only saver in the time +30 minutes to 72 hours

but this doesn't matter because in a maximum failure like Fukushima it goes down in the first 30 minutes.

and this is only because of cost efficiency because you can build a nuclear power plant 100% passive cooled.

and you can build hot reactors like thorium ractors with a natural break.

... in fact your AP1000 is a lie!

[johnc]

the core meltdown in Fukushima was proved in the first 30 minutes!!!!!!

I'm going to need to see a source for that.

[Akka]

Should Japan shut down the power plant and be dependent on China to get electricity.
Very unlikly....

[Qaridarium]

I'm going to need to see a source for that.

the official version is that the emergency cooling system starts correct and the water kills the cooling system later.
wikipedia quote this with this Government source: ↑ a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa ab ac ad ae af ag ah ai aj ak al am an ao ap aq ar as at au av aw Additional Report of the Japanese Government to the IAEA (englisch, pdf, 31 MB). Kantei, 15. September 2011, archiviert vom Original, abgerufen am 17. Dezember 2011.

but this is proven wrong and its Government propaganda!

multiple sources tell a different story : http://www.heise.de/tp/blogs/2/149959

"Schon lange war klar, dass dieser Reaktor schon das Erdbeben nicht überstanden hat, womit die Mär widerlegt wurde, dass erst der ungewöhnlich starke Tsunami für die starken Schäden verantwortlich war. Daran hielt Japan lange fest, um keine Konsequenzen für das gefährliche Atomprogramm ziehen zu müssen."

google translate: "Has long been clear that this reactor has not already survived the earthquake, so the myth was disproved, only that the unusually high tsunami was responsible for the severe damage. Japan firmly held it long enough to have to draw any conclusions for the dangerous nuclear program."

this means the earth quake damaged the cooling solution very strong and the emergency cooling system don't work in an helpful way.

this means after the earth-quake the emergency cooling system fail to start fast and only run 49 minutes http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Der-A...a-1207205.html. and because of this the Zirkonium Oxidate in minutes and hit the 2150 Kelvin

"Weil die Oxidation von Zirkonium die Stäbe rasant weiter aufheizt, kann die Temperatur binnen weniger Minuten auf 2150 Kelvin steigen, den Schmelzpunkt von Zirkonium. Dies ist der Beginn der Kernschmelze."
http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Der-A...artikelseite=2

its a fact if a nuclear power plant goes wrong then it goes wrong very fast because the nuclear heat only do have the power in the first short time not "Later".

[Qaridarium]

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soz...-a-831517.html







now all nuclear power plants in japan are "offline"

and with there new "EEG-Green-energy-law" its for sure that they will quit nuclear energy!