Image Quality Comparison: Radeon Gallium3D vs. Catalyst

[Qaridarium]

For those of you that have missed it, Qar is a pro troll. If I ran a site like this, I would hire one or two of them to pad the forum for additional click revenue.

Being a pro troll is easy. You simply say something completely intangible and crazy. Here's an example:

"While John Bridgman is an open source developer, his defence of the closed source catalyst binaries makes him an Uncle-Tom in the eyes of many FOSS advocates"

It's untrue, ambiguous, personal, almost looks like it makes sense, and I could write page after page of nonsense defending it. Ultimately, it is meaningless and exists only to create a post-storm of bullshit melodrama. I created a "them" and an "us" to devide participants into two groups, mixed in a racial metaphor to get one of the groups mad, and did it all in a single sentence that pretends to make sense. The only downfall is that the spelling and grammer (while not totally correct) is way too good, so I cannot play the "you misunderstood me" card later in an effort to keep the argument going.

JB, nothing personal, this was just a demonstration on how someone would go about trolling the forum. You're not an uncle tom, mainly because it's impossible as we don't have slavery any more. Secondly because IP isn't actual "property". Thirdly, because it makes no sense whatsoever and you're white.... It's complete rubish and I feel bad for writing it, even if it is only to show people how to troll.

the real point is the reality is even more harder than you try to troll.

""While John Bridgman is an open source developer, his defence of the closed source catalyst binaries makes him an Uncle-Tom in the eyes of many FOSS advocates""

because bridgman is a 100% vista and catalyst on vista user.

we do have a AMD-opensource spoken man in this forum with ZERO opensource in private usage.

[Qaridarium]

Oh, and no. The direct opposite of the truth is called a "lie". Irony is something else.

without a irony tag a irony sentence is always a Lie!

[Qaridarium]

Mesa absolutely is NOT the reference implementation (@Qaridium: that's spelled with an f, not a v).
It's a third-party implementation of a standard, which isn't even permitted to refer to the standard in its name.
It has passed many conformance tests using the software renderer, but then, so have the NVidia & AMD/ATI blobs--and thase have passed more current ones (or they couldn't advertise OpenGL 4 support)
If you bothered to read the history under doc/, you'd know this.

There is a free "Sample Implementation" for OpenGL, but it wasn't updated past GL1.4.

OpenGL 3 is only available on radeon with "8.0"-git (="master" head, not the mesa 8.0 branch), FWIW.

hi thank you for your help with the language. but for me there is no spelled difference f and v because in germany there is no difference.... but writing difference sure.

i think we really need a openGL reference sample implementation.

[russofris]

the real point is the reality is even more harder than you try to troll.

""While John Bridgman is an open source developer, his defence of the closed source catalyst binaries makes him an Uncle-Tom in the eyes of many FOSS advocates""

because bridgman is a 100% vista and catalyst on vista user.

we do have a AMD-opensource spoken man in this forum with ZERO opensource in private usage.

You misunderstood me....



See what I did there?
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[Nedanfor]

I'm really interested in the Enemy-"bug": can somebody do this test with nVidia-blobs? Could be interesting also doing it with Intel drivers on Windows. I think that a more vaste comparison would help to know what output is incorrect. Even doing it with other FLOSS drivers (like llvmpipe, nouveau and intel) would be great, because if there is a problem regarding r300/r600 drivers maybe it isn't a problem of Mesa.

[perpetualrabbit]

In the picture with the purple monster, the only difference I see is a purple reflection on the floor, and some smoke at the wall, which are missing in the catalyst-generated one. So can I conclude that catalyst fails to render smoke in this game?
For the rest, I see no difference. At least not in quality. The image-delta pictures proof that the difference is there of course, but who can say which of the pictures is a more correct rendering?

[Qaridarium]

You misunderstood me....



See what I did there?
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i don't care about "Trolling" ALL try to troll is a JOKE compare to the Reality!

Bridgman is the biggest Windows+Catalyst-Troll in this "Linux" forum.

nobody with a "Brain" can take him seriously !

his message is: if you do have a problem with your modem(ati-graphic-card) then the best solution is to buy windows vista and drive your modem(ati-graphic card) with vista.--> resistance is futile,resistance is futile,resistance is futile,resistance is futile

[mangobrain]

Qaridarium, stop derailing this thread, please. The grown-ups are trying to have a meaningful discussion about a discrepancy in the renderings.

Enough is enough.

[Nedanfor]

In the picture with the purple monster, the only difference I see is a purple reflection on the floor, and some smoke at the wall, which are missing in the catalyst-generated one. So can I conclude that catalyst fails to render smoke in this game?
For the rest, I see no difference. At least not in quality. The image-delta pictures proof that the difference is there of course, but who can say which of the pictures is a more correct rendering?

That picture is the Enemy screenshot: the only correct conclusion is that there is a difference between the two renderings. More tests would help to stress which one is the bugged rendering.

About the quality, as other users have written, JPEGs are not useful at all for image-delta, but I agree with you: even if they were PNGs, how can we tell which one is the most correct?

[Qaridarium]

Qaridarium, stop derailing this thread, please. The grown-ups are trying to have a meaningful discussion about a discrepancy in the renderings.

Enough is enough.

just for the record I'm not the one how starts the "bridgman" shit-storm.

i just point out that the reality is more shit than every try to be a Troll.