NVIDIA Releases 295.20 Linux Drivers

[efikkan]

Seems like a good release. No more crashes with OpenGL 4.2 contexts.

Running a MSI NGTX 580 TwinFrozr II/OC

[asdx]

So you want them to ban the best driver?

I do manage 80+ Linux desktops for a robotics company. It is far from a perfect driver, and yet is a head above all others.

The "best driver" that refuses to support innovations like Wayland and KMS?

Yeah right.

Great driver you have there.

[asdx]

Stop replying to a troll.

You're the only troll here, fuck off.

[ninez]

The "best driver" that refuses to support innovations like Wayland and KMS?

Yeah right.

Great driver you have there.

You are always trolling on these kinds of threads, saying stupid shit like proprietary drivers should be banned (which is retarded), you seem to think that Linux is a FSF project, and that all of it's devs share your point of view, meanwhile this really isn't the case. You also seem to have convinced yourself, that OSS GFX drivers that can barely even render games are higher quality than the blobs. which is laughable.

I bet our friend here (robotics company) wouldn't even be able to use Linux at their Company without GOOD GFX drivers. Nouveau probably can't even do what they require. So yeah, Nvidia does make a good driver, as it actually works and does the job! Nouveau is SLOW and is a reverse-engineered, half-functioning driver...

Can you please, point us to some resources, that verify what you are saying? just because Nvidia currently doesn't support Wayland/KMS/GEM, that doesn't mean that they 'refuse' to support Wayland, *forever*.

The fact is, Wayland isn't in high-use and isn't feature complete, it hasn't surpassed (or is even at parity with) Xorg and is nowhere near being production ready. So why would Nvidia support it, at this point? (seems kinda pointless to me). While Nvidia says they have no current plans to support Wayland, if Wayland is as good as it is supposed to be, when it actually becomes usable, and people actually (start to) migrate over ~ what do you think the chances are that AMD and Nvidia won't support it? (especially, if X starts to not be shipped as the default, for desktop distros). It's going to be a SLOW transition.

I am betting the proprietary drivers will support it, once they actually have the motivation and good reason to do so.

cheerz

[Gusar]

Why would Nvidia use KMS, when they have their own modesetting in the kernel (well, in their kernel module)? They don't use DRI or AIGLX or EXA either, and yet no one is harping on them for that. But when it comes to modesetting, there's screaming for KMS.

If it's a high-res console you want, then say so. But KMS is not the one true holy way to achieve that. I don't think there's anything preventing Nvidia from implementing a fbcon driver on top of their modesetting, a "nvidiablobfb" if you will. Well, except incentive. If there is a technical reason I don't know about preventing Nvidia from creating that, please tell.


About Wayland, ninez covered that. Nvidia isn't "refusing" anything, there's just no incentive yet to support it. It's API isn't even finalized yet AFAIK, there'll be changes still until 1.0 is released.

[johnc]

Nouveau is SLOW and is a reverse-engineered, half-functioning driver...

Yes but it has fast VT switching and graphical kernel panics, so clearly it's superior.

I mean why are people using graphics drivers for performance and quality 3D rendering or silly things like video decoding?

Don't people know that you're supposed to buy $300 Fermi cards for smooth Plymouth transitions?

The day Linus boots all these proprietary video drivers is the day that Linux is going to truly flourish -- and I'm not just picking on nvidia here, but I mean Samsung, Qualcomm, TI and all those other profit-focused clowns who are doing nothing more than rapidly advancing the technology age while providing large returns for investors and mass-employing people worldwide, all while making Linux as common-place as bar soap with their bass-ackwards, proprietary, closed, blobberific graphics drivers.

[asdx]

You are always trolling on these kinds of threads, saying stupid shit like proprietary drivers should be banned (which is retarded), you seem to think that Linux is a FSF project, and that all of it's devs share your point of view, meanwhile this really isn't the case. You also seem to have convinced yourself, that OSS GFX drivers that can barely even render games are higher quality than the blobs. which is laughable.

I bet our friend here (robotics company) wouldn't even be able to use Linux at their Company without GOOD GFX drivers. Nouveau probably can't even do what they require. So yeah, Nvidia does make a good driver, as it actually works and does the job! Nouveau is SLOW and is a reverse-engineered, half-functioning driver...

Can you please, point us to some resources, that verify what you are saying? just because Nvidia currently doesn't support Wayland/KMS/GEM, that doesn't mean that they 'refuse' to support Wayland, *forever*.

The fact is, Wayland isn't in high-use and isn't feature complete, it hasn't surpassed (or is even at parity with) Xorg and is nowhere near being production ready. So why would Nvidia support it, at this point? (seems kinda pointless to me). While Nvidia says they have no current plans to support Wayland, if Wayland is as good as it is supposed to be, when it actually becomes usable, and people actually (start to) migrate over ~ what do you think the chances are that AMD and Nvidia won't support it? (especially, if X starts to not be shipped as the default, for desktop distros). It's going to be a SLOW transition.

I am betting the proprietary drivers will support it, once they actually have the motivation and good reason to do so.

cheerz

What about the half-assed XRandR support in the blob? I guess that's too experimental that they cannot properly support it?

Proprietary drivers suck, they always have and always will, the only thing they do well is the 3D performance thing, everything else they do it in a half-assed way because the only thing they care is their enterprise customers, not you or your desktops.

There will be a point in time when the open source drivers will reach a point of performance that is close to the blob's performance. When that happens we will talk again.

Oh and I know Linux is not a FSF project, I have been using Linux for more than a decade now. That's not my point, my point is that we should demand better drivers, drivers that actually work for more than 3D performance.

But I guess if you play games the whole day that's the only thing you care? You're a moron.

[johnc]

What about the half-assed XRandR support in the blob? I guess that's experimental too that they can't support it?

They're waiting on RandR 1.4.

[ninez]

What about the half-assed XRandR support in the blob? I guess that's experimental too that they cannot support it?

Proprietary drivers suck, they always have and always will, the only thing they do well is the 3D performance thing, everything else they do it in a half-assed because the only thing they care is their enterprise customers, not your desktops.

Ignoring this fact won't make your blob be any better.

and;

You're a moron.

Yes, you may have changed that, but it showed up in my inbox and...

They're waiting on RandR 1.4.

Hmmm, who's the fucking moron?!?!?! -> The one who claims others are moronic, but doesn't even know why that support isn't there yet (obviously this is you), or the one's that are well-informed on this issue? (of course, this is rhetorical. way to make yourself, look really stupid, yet again...)

Furthermore, you didn't bother to address ANY of what i actually wrote, but instead introduced an unrelated issue - completely side-stepping the issue, because in reality - you have jackshit to say about any of that stuff. As at this point, it isn't logical for Nvidia to support Wayland, there is no incentive... You comes off as a Stallmann-fanboy dipshit. I'm just glad developers have a little more snese, than people like yourself, otherwise Linux would have never got off the ground, and would be dead in the water.

What is really funny, is that while you complain about the blob sucking at everything, i've never really had major issues, and that's after using them, both at home and at Work FOR YEARS ~ Nouveau is a complete waste of my time. Radeon isn't bad for an OSS GFX driver, but i tend to avoid AMD cards. Nvidia has always worked much nicer for me.

Oh and as far as playing games ~ i don't play games. But i do require proper 3d acceleration for lots other types of applications. But hey, you can continue to be a short-sided dipshit with a very narrow scope on why someone might like to have proper 3d acceleration.

Lastly, Nvidia SHOULD care more about it's enterprise customers, than my Desktop. They probably make a lot more money in that arena. But then again, Nvidia has worked great on my desktop FOR YEARS. Stop whining like a little bitch ~ GET OVER IT!

cheerz

[johnc]

There will be a point in time when the open source drivers will reach a point of performance that is close to the blob's performance. When that happens we will talk again.

Yes... when the nouveau driver is as good or better than nvidia's proprietary driver, then we can talk again. Of course when it's at that stage we could all just use the nouveau driver and there would be nothing to argue about.

But I don't see how this is supporting your argument that the binary driver is a turd that should be banned from Linux and the OSS version is so superior.

So far you've listed pretty insignificant complaints, like it doesn't do KMS (it does) or doesn't have RandR support.

drivers that actually work for more than 3D performance.

But I guess if you play games the whole day that's the only thing you care? You're a moron.

Yeah I think 3D performance on Linux goes beyond playing games, at least in the enterprise. But it's not just about playing games. How about for people who are building HTPCs and are (quite naturally) preferring Linux for their OS? Nvidia customers are going to need the proprietary driver for video decoding. I guess you think that isn't a real advantage.

Or how about power-saving features so temps and fan speeds are kept under control? I guess that's not a real-life difference maker either.

So basically it all comes down to fast VT switching and mythical Wayland support for you. Cool. But I don't get why you're so fed up that the rest of the world is actually interested in more important stuff.

What you're proposing is to essentially remove from the Linux ecosystem features and performance that are absolute essentials in both the consumer and enterprise markets. Sounds like a strategy full of win.