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Thread: AMD Will Properly Support KWin With Catalyst

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyDrake View Post
    Linux market share grows on desktop -> Xorg old drivers purge -> Kernel KMS+some old hw support drop(starting from device list clean) -> Mesa old drivers purge -> Kwin GL1 purge
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    I don't see a reason instead of being paid to shoot in own foot.
    You know, that's the way to the future; there exists some enterprise distros that are going to be supported for long. Get rid of the dead weights!

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    Oh c'mon, Chavez is nothing but a clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markg85 View Post
    At this moment gallium is just not feasable for AMD gpu's for fulltime desktop usage. It is for testing it out for some hours. Sure, this state will improve but that needs time - lots of it - and till that point the catalyst driver (however crappy it is) is still the better choice.. sad but true.
    I'd have to disagree there. I tried to use Catalyst on my workstation at work (Ubuntu 11.10, Radeon 5400-series, i7-2600, dual monitor via DVI splitter-adapter, gnome shell). No matter what I did, I couldn't get the multi-monitor situation to work correctly (It wouldn't even detect the second screen properly). I swapped in the OSS radeon driver that came with Ubuntu 11.10, and everything has been working perfectly.

    At home I have 3 Radeon-based machines, and they are all running the r600g driver, and they're all working great.

    Home:
    - Desktop: Phenom II X6 w/ Radeon 6850, Ubuntu 11.10 w/ xorg-edgers
    - Work-only machine: Phenom II X3 720, Radeon 3200 (780G), Mint 12 RC
    - HTPC: Llano 3600-series miniITX, Mythbuntu 11.10

    All of these machines are perfectly stable, and since I boot to windows on my desktop for gaming, the performance is fine for me. r600g is perfectly fine for all-day desktop use for me, except when I want to play SW:TOR, which doesn't work in Wine anyway (last I checked).

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    i think martin dropping opengl 1.x is a good idea, but i think he should do it for the kde 5.0 release - that would make a nice transition. but, perhaps he's bringing this up now because he knows amd will take a long time, and by the time they finish fixing up their drivers for kwin, kde 5 will work nicely.

    being a catalyst and kwin compositing user myself, i'm not exactly pleased that i might have to go a little while with that stuff disabled, but i can wait if it means the code is cleaner and more efficient.


    if the catalyst drivers already support all future versions of opengl, why exactly would it take so long to fix kwin compositing on them? i feel like it should just be a few tweaks here and there and it'll work. i don't know much about the in-depth details, but i feel like if the catalyst drivers can't even support kwin then shouldn't there be a lot worse issues with them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veerappan View Post
    I'd have to disagree there. I tried to use Catalyst on my workstation at work (Ubuntu 11.10, Radeon 5400-series, i7-2600, dual monitor via DVI splitter-adapter, gnome shell). No matter what I did, I couldn't get the multi-monitor situation to work correctly (It wouldn't even detect the second screen properly). I swapped in the OSS radeon driver that came with Ubuntu 11.10, and everything has been working perfectly.

    At home I have 3 Radeon-based machines, and they are all running the r600g driver, and they're all working great.

    Home:
    - Desktop: Phenom II X6 w/ Radeon 6850, Ubuntu 11.10 w/ xorg-edgers
    - Work-only machine: Phenom II X3 720, Radeon 3200 (780G), Mint 12 RC
    - HTPC: Llano 3600-series miniITX, Mythbuntu 11.10

    All of these machines are perfectly stable, and since I boot to windows on my desktop for gaming, the performance is fine for me. r600g is perfectly fine for all-day desktop use for me, except when I want to play SW:TOR, which doesn't work in Wine anyway (last I checked).
    i do have the same problem with catalyst... it just hurt me if i use the catalyst.

    and.... the irony is i use radeon GIT unstable beta alpha ...LOL and its more stable than the catalyst.

    i also activate as unstable market options like PCIe2.0 and OpenGL3..LOL!

    its a complete joke!

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    All that fuss for a stupid window manager...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kano View Post
    Does somebody really think that there will be a fix in less than 3 month?
    Where is 3 months coming from? The original blog said support wouldn't be dropped until at least 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    Mafia always operate in the secret. If you can prove it you are are already death!
    so no i can't prove it and i don't want to prove it. but..... wikipedia can prove it....
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsolescence
    I agree on one thing: this obsolesce is artificial,not naturally evolved,reduce existing consumer freedom/functionality,not really nessesary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunnyDrake View Post
    I agree on one thing: this obsolesce is artificial,not naturally evolved,reduce existing consumer freedom/functionality,not really nessesary.
    and because of this they should not drop the openGL1.0 support! Linux is different! macos do have obsolescence and windows do have obsolescence linux should not make the same mistake!

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    Exclamation This is why I don't buy AMD

    I want to buy AMD, but I won't and this is why.

    With Intel you got open-source hardware support in the kernel even before the chipset is available in store, so when you go pick it up in the store it is immediatly supported out-of-the-box.

    The Nvidia proprietary graphics device driver works great, except for lack of support of kernel mode setting (KMS) and XRandR. It always support the latest hardware, and releases are relatively quick to catch up with X.org ABI changes.

    With AMD it never supports the latest graphics cards and it lags behind X.org ABI changes so much that they end up holding back Linux due to distributions not shipping the latest X.org due to AMD not having a device driver out that supports it.

    GL1, AMD are you kidding me?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    I want to buy AMD, but I won't and this is why.

    With Intel you got open-source hardware support in the kernel even before the chipset is available in store, so when you go pick it up in the store it is immediatly supported out-of-the-box.

    The Nvidia proprietary graphics device driver works great, except for lack of support of kernel mode setting (KMS) and XRandR. It always support the latest hardware, and releases are relatively quick to catch up with X.org ABI changes.

    With AMD it never supports the latest graphics cards and it lags behind X.org ABI changes so much that they end up holding back Linux due to distributions not shipping the latest X.org due to AMD not having a device driver out that supports it.

    GL1, AMD are you kidding me?!
    i do have the openGL2ES renderpath with my amd card but its the radeon driver not tha catalyst!

    so yes Catalyst is just "kidding"

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