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    Default Will H.264 Codec Support Come To Fedora? Nope.

    Phoronix: Will H.264 Codec Support Come To Fedora? Nope.

    Following Mozilla's decision this week to support H.264 via system codecs in Firefox, it's been brought up within the Fedora camp whether H.264 support will finally be instated. To no surprise, don't be holding your breath waiting on H.264 within the Fedora repository...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTA3NDM

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    H.264 in Fedora 17!

    Bill Nottingham notting at redhat.com
    Tue Mar 20 21:26:27 UTC 2012

    Fedora Video (fedoravideo at gmail.com) said:
    > As everyone probably knows, Mozilla has chosen to adopt H.264. They will be
    > doing this by finally utilizing OS codecs instead of embedding their own.
    > They have been quite clear that Linux would be supported too, so obviously
    > this means H.264 in Fedora. With Firefox's adoption there will be no web
    > browser supported on Fedora which doesn't support H.264 (Firefox, Chrome,
    > and Konqueror), and not a moment too soon since flash support on Linux is
    > going away.

    Hi Troll. Don't Troll.

    Bill

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    H.264 in Fedora 17!

    drago01 drago01 at gmail.com
    Tue Mar 20 21:27:13 UTC 2012
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    On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Fedora Video <fedoravideo at gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > As everyone probably knows, Mozilla has chosen to adopt H.264. They will be
    > doing this by finally utilizing OS codecs instead of embedding their own.
    > They have been quite clear that Linux would be supported too, so obviously
    > this means H.264 in Fedora. With Firefox's adoption there will be no web
    > browser supported on Fedora which doesn't support H.264 (Firefox, Chrome,
    > and Konqueror), and not a moment too soon since flash support on Linux is
    > going away.
    >
    > Why is Mozilla doing this? It is clear enough: Non-support of H.264 is
    > making them irrelevant. They've gone from the #1 browser to the #4 directly
    > as a result of not adopting H.264. H.264 is the only video that is good
    > enough for the web and the alternatives are just as patented which is why
    > Google did not make good on their commitments to deploy them. Even Youtube
    > only offers WebM on a small number of unpopular videos: The bandwidth
    > demands of a full WebM deployment would put them out of business and would
    > break their site on apple devices which don't work if WebM is offered.
    >
    > Likewise, we see Fedora's market share dwindle as it is supplanted by Ubuntu
    > and Debian both, not coincidentally, ship H.264 while Fedora has not. There
    > can be no question of freedom here since no one doubts that Debian places
    > freedom as the highest priority. It is fedora's continued lack of H.264
    > which is actually the violation of freedom. Who wants a desktop with zero
    > video support? Ffmpeg, VLC, Mplayer, gstreamer, Blender and almost all
    > free software video programs are based on H.264 and Mpeg. Go look on pirate
    > bay: No one distributes in anything but mpeg formats.
    >
    > H.264 is now free for the web and has been free for a long time. It is only
    > foolish religion which has kept H.264 out of Fedora.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law

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    H.264 in Fedora 17!

    Simo Sorce simo at redhat.com
    Tue Mar 20 21:39:23 UTC 2012
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    On Tue, 2012-03-20 at 17:23 -0400, Fedora Video wrote:
    >
    > As everyone probably knows, Mozilla has chosen to adopt H.264. They
    > will be doing this by finally utilizing OS codecs instead of embedding
    > their own. They have been quite clear that Linux would be supported
    > too, so obviously this means H.264 in Fedora. With Firefox's adoption
    > there will be no web browser supported on Fedora which doesn't support
    > H.264 (Firefox, Chrome, and Konqueror), and not a moment too soon
    > since flash support on Linux is going away.
    >
    > Why is Mozilla doing this? It is clear enough: Non-support of H.264
    > is making them irrelevant. They've gone from the #1 browser to the #4
    > directly as a result of not adopting H.264. H.264 is the only video
    > that is good enough for the web and the alternatives are just as
    > patented which is why Google did not make good on their commitments to
    > deploy them. Even Youtube only offers WebM on a small number of
    > unpopular videos: The bandwidth demands of a full WebM deployment
    > would put them out of business and would break their site on apple
    > devices which don't work if WebM is offered.
    >
    > Likewise, we see Fedora's market share dwindle as it is supplanted by
    > Ubuntu and Debian both, not coincidentally, ship H.264 while Fedora
    > has not. There can be no question of freedom here since no one doubts
    > that Debian places freedom as the highest priority. It is fedora's
    > continued lack of H.264 which is actually the violation of freedom.
    > Who wants a desktop with zero video support? Ffmpeg, VLC, Mplayer,
    > gstreamer, Blender and almost all free software video programs are
    > based on H.264 and Mpeg. Go look on pirate bay: No one distributes in
    > anything but mpeg formats.
    >
    > H.264 is now free for the web and has been free for a long time. It is
    > only foolish religion which has kept H.264 out of Fedora.
    >
    > Mozilla and Fedora will not be alone in making this move. Today
    > Wikipedia announced they would be abandoning Theora and switching to
    > H.264 (they never adopted WebM).
    >
    > It is time for Fedora to stop promoting low quality, proprietary, and
    > unlicensed video like WebM and Theora and adopt the industry standard
    > x264. Our political preferences are worthless if Fedora is
    > irrelevant. It is time to regain relevance!
    >
    Nice trolling, really, but too blatant.

    Try again, you may have more luck next time.

    Simo.

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    That's about the summary of my thoughts on the matter.

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    Almost all sane Fedora users enable http://rpmfusion.org/ immediately after installation.

    I even venture to say that Fedora is not even remotely usable without this repository.

    It sucks that Fedora by itself is not a usable distro, but then Fedora developers cannot be blamed for that, the US patent system is the culprit.

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    h264 is a disaster for the free world. and just remember Apple is a member of the MPEG LA this means they only want h264 because in this way they can earn money from linux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qaridarium View Post
    h264 is a disaster for the free world. and just remember Apple is a member of the MPEG LA this means they only want h264 because in this way they can earn money from linux.
    h246 is not a disaster

    the amount of people that use still use it for web etc. is the major problem

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    call me joe if that article is not biased

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    Quote Originally Posted by 89c51 View Post
    h246 is not a disaster

    the amount of people that use still use it for web etc. is the major problem
    you are right... but.... the problem is still the same.

    we do have millions of zombies using h264 and this hurts the free world.

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