A Message From Valve's Gabe Newell

[kraftman]

1) Claiming that Apple is pure evil gets very old to listen to. You don't like their approach to applications on iOS, the premium on their hardware, or other policies with regards to working conditions, etc... Fine. At the same time, you need to recognize that Apple is putting money into LLVM, WebKit, X.Org, and other technologies that we use regularly. You may think they're the devil, but I reserve that title for others (such as Sony and Oracle). Apple may not be the best company in the world, but they're better than some, and they're doing work which we benefit from.

Apple is pure evil and crap company. LLVM, ok, it's useful in few cases, but Apple lived thanks to GCC. Webkit, guess what webkit is? It's a fork of the KDE project. X.Org? Because they do some work for OS X? What other technologies do you mean? What apple deserves is death and it's apple that benefits the most from Open Source software. Not opposite.

Honestly, I view MacOS this way: It's a stable *NIX system with a nice GUI that also gives me access to a terminal and everything else that I usually need in Linux. It's easy to support other people (relatives) who use it, and it's a lot more novice friendly than apt-get.

And Ubuntu center is even more novice friendly.

[kraftman]

Are you, by any chance, running on Intel, AMD or ARM hardware? Then congratulations! You've affiliated yourself with the devil himself,
by using a non-free platform whose architecture and blueprints/specs are closed down and, therefore, pure evil.

Running AMD, Intel or ARM hardware you don't support apple. It's so simple.

[Naib]

May I just remind people of two very key articles

#1
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...uncement&num=1

It's Official: Valve Releasing Steam, Source Engine For Linux!
Published on May 12, 2010

This was proceeded by article after article of "its coming, its coming" until finally this was posted, NO independent citation from Valve YET peddled as fact.
This was then followed by article after article "it is coming, trust me, just watch, I have been told."


until

#2
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/23/v...-in-the-works/

Valve denies having a Linux version of Steam in the works
By Paul Miller posted Aug 23rd 2010 3:09PM

This is the same tune that Phoronix plays. This is like a dream for Linux users and likewise reporting on it will drive hits to this site and links (already this "news" article has been links on other sites re-starting the "factual" it is coming game...)

Thing is I believe Michael really does believe in what he has come across, problem is he has not learnt from last time, a small glimmer of hope in what is the perverbial holy grail for linux gaming. Rather than actually getting some firm commitment/citation again jumping the gun.

[susikala]

Thing is I believe Michael really does believe in what he has come across, problem is he has not learnt from last time, a small glimmer of hope in what is the perverbial holy grail for linux gaming. Rather than actually getting some firm commitment/citation again jumping the gun.

So basically, it's the story of man who believes in his delusions so much they've become a second reality to him?

Jokes aside, there's no reason not to believe it when there's hard and fast evidence. You know, not screenshots of mails (on evil oses!!), nor quotations, nor looking for traces of linux code in executables. Just make a video of the game running under linux and everyone will believe you. I'm sure your ever exclusive direct access to sources will allow you to do that, wouldn't it?

Another annoying thing about this story is that it's been thrashed to death by phoronix too much now that if it ever does become true, we'll have a huge overproportioned 'wow' effect and phoronix riding on it for the rest of entire lives saying 'I told you' in _every_ article which would have any remote connection to valve (or perhaps gaming in general?). So basically, if you look at it from this point of view, it's a good investment (in future page views, clicks, etc., in other words money) -- if it turns out to be nothing, not much happened besides speculation. If it turns out true, jackpot!

Future quote: "Our 66th benchmark of portal 2 on Ubuntu 18.10 shows significant performance improvements (everyone upgrade your vm ubuntu installation!!!). As you remember, I was the first one to report the source engine coming to Linux. Even against all hopes, and with overflowing waves of skepticism from the community, I stood by my word and turned out victorious!"

My conclusion -- if source ever does reach linux, this site won't be bearable at all any more.

[kraftman]

Just make a video of the game running under linux and everyone will believe you. I'm sure your ever exclusive direct access to sources will allow you to do that, wouldn't it?

Just don't do it at April Fools' Day.

[entropy]

Even (and hopefully) if this turns out to happen eventually, credibility seems lost somehow.
Didn't came across a single news page jumping on that train (again).

[Naib]

exactly!
I can see it now and I even commented on it that when Valve release STEAM/SOURCE for linux (as I do believe some day in the future it will happen), Phoronix/Michael will be all over it "see see I told you that it was coming!!!"

The issue I have with the sensationalistic rumour driven journalism that is employed by Michael is that it gets peddled as fact far to often.


I have no problem with a rumour/hint of something being reported... but to stubbornly stick to a jackanory tale in face of other mounting evidence - I mean go back and read some of the other articles where he holds onto the "it will be released this summer" and upto when valve publically announce "no client due" - He basically belittled those who didn't believe him.

Fact is we didn't believe because no citable proof was provided WHILE there was signs it was not happening (posta3 being pulled for linux...)


Its happening again, no real proof... a screenshot of some email doesn't count - like I said some link from a valve controlled domain.



Let it be recorded now: Microsoft will release office for linux.
You heard it here 1st and I believe that some day it will occur, doesn't matter if it is 2years after the fact or 10years! I said it would happen

[mikeplus64]

I want to believe, but the "independent proof" not being independent at all makes this hard for me.

[leif81]

It'd be pretty darn cool if this Valve + Linux effort lead to something like a "SteamBox" running Linux.

[mikeplus64]

I'd just like to add how easy it is to doctor something, with a little something I whipped up in ~15 minutes:


It strikes me as odd that Michael took a photo of his screen instead of just taking a screenshot.