I think the big issue is not new content (the authoring tools/libraries and browser support will shape up sooner or later) but rather the ~15 years of existing SWF content that nobody would convert even if it were easy.
Originally Posted by not.sure
Not for me with radeon open source. Some grasses and particles are rendered, rest is black.
Originally Posted by madjr
Why not use the windows firefox + windows flash in wine? :P
Originally Posted by madjr
i'm not really sure what the big fuss is. within the past few years, flash hasn't really changed much, and since there is a replacement in sight, i doubt it will continue to advance. so far i've only had to update it once due to broken compatibility with 1 website. keep in mind that tablets and mac products in general are not very flash friendly anymore, so even excluding linux entirely, those platforms will be a pretty large percentage of people who won't use flash. maybe that doesn't apply as of today, but phones and tablets are quickly replacing desktop and laptop PCs.
adobe realizes that flash WILL die, and they're already preparing for it. i've heard they're making an html5 editor that is the equivalent of their flash editor. html5 is the replacement whether adobe or really anybody likes it or not - it is inevitable. also, if mozilla or opera software decides to join in on the new api (or w/e it is that chrome uses for flash), then flash WILL still be up-to-date on any platform, including processor architectures that flash currently was never support on. i can sort of understand why mozilla doesn't want to, but opera has nothing to lose if they join in. so that would just leave mozilla looking like a whiny bitch because they don't want to lose their precious obsolete plugin wrapper.
as for games, there's plenty of shockwave games out there and shockwave has never been linux compatible. the average flash game is a waste of time to play, and is intended to be a time waster. in the unlikely event that all future flash games become incompatible with linux, i don't think anybody is really going to care.
so the bottom line is, flash will be replaced, it'll still work on linux, and even if google ditches updating it, it is unlikely that any future website will stop working due to compatibility problems.
I'm a bit concerned about this...
[Offtopic] I agree with your quote here (in terms of Phoronix's VDPAU/nVidia fanboism)... [/Offtopic]
Originally Posted by not.sure
Unfortunately, not everything is "roses"... Although I really prefer HTML5 over Flash, there are still some sites that need flash in order to work properly (for instance, some internet video sites (except maybe youtube), e-commerce sites, web portals, etc.).
Forcing us to use a browser that attacks your privacy (Chrome) is not a solution for Linux's flash problem... And unfortunately, we'll be "in the dark" quite some time until HTML5 "rules the world"... So, I'm a bit concerned about these Flash Linux news...
aside from my previous post (where i explained that flash's lack of future development probably won't result in many problems), what exactly makes chrome have bad privacy? it's not like google is allowed to take your credit card number and use it, or take the passwords of your accounts. this is the same stupid issue of people fearing their governments watching their every move - sure ethically they have no right to do that but if you aren't doing anything wrong, if you don't have anyone who is "after you", and if you've got nothing to hide then why do you care? if you're paranoid and a criminal in some way (whether you've been arrested or not) or have something to be ashamed of then maybe you should have thought about your actions before doing them in the first place.
Originally Posted by evolution
a) Well, if you read Google's terms of service, your information is sent outside you country... Except, OC, if you live in the "US and A".
Originally Posted by schmidtbag
b) Google is an advertisement company, it stopped to being a search provider long ago.
c) Maybe you should look at the SRWare Iron vs Chromium comparison before shouting at me in a public forum...
d) I'm not "paranoid". I just support what I think is right for me... Furthermore, I'm proud of who I am... Maybe you're the paranoid one here (Writing sentences such as I might be a criminal, or that I'm ashamed of who I am without knowing anything about me)... You should urgently find a shrink and check if everything's right with you...
e) Finally, about the "paranoid" thing... Wait and see in a few years... I think we're slightly turning into a modern "middle age"... Just look at SOPA, ACTA, PIPA, PL18 (Portugal)... Those are attempts to censor the web and turning it into big closed censored networks... And maybe people think these proposals are dead, but that's only a "political game"...
f) If you disagree with me, deal with it! This is a public forum...
p.s.: Btw, my favorite browsers are Opera and Firefox...
Last edited by evolution; 03-31-2012 at 08:00 PM.
Originally Posted by evolution
a) ok, so? that doesn't change my point.
b) i'm well aware. the reason google wants your info is to help make advertisements more relevant to you. again, this isn't really a big SECURITY issue. ads are generally unavoidable. if i'm going to see an ad, i'd rather not see something like viagra or how to lose weight.
c) i didn't shout at you. i didn't use capitalized words or exclamation points. most of what i said wasn't even directed specifically at you, it was a generalization (note how you didn't mention anything about government security, when i brought that up). as for that link you sent me, i would actually be annoyed if i used srware iron. nearly all of those "security problems" they claimed were all to help IMPROVE your browser experience. google chrome is young, so it needs advice on how to get better. many of those things that were classified as missing features are things you can add yourself thru extensions hosted by google themselves. i'm not saying srware iron is bad, but what it classifies as problems are things that are in fact good, or are effortless to fix.
d) well if i were a criminal or had something to hide then sure, i would be paranoid. however, i'm not. if the fbi broke into my house and all my stuff, they wouldn't find anything to screw me over. i'm sure there would be something they'd find that is embarrassing, but so does everyone. i said if you've got nothing to hide then you've got nothing to fear - how is that being paranoid?
e) yes i completely agree. i hate all of that and like i said before, i'm not fond of the government (or anyone for that matter) taking my personal information or watching my every move, and nearly everything the government is trying to do lately is far out of its jurisdiction. the US is becoming very socialist, but the small changes causing that are incremental. people will let a small tax increase slip by or maybe another law geared toward copyright infringement, but they won't allow something that could completely bankrupt them or remove all of their rights of a certain category all in 1 bill. however dumb the politicians are, they're smart enough to know what pushes the country too far.
f) i could say the same about you, but you're the one throwing out the accusations. i'm not fumed at you or trying to piss you off, i was questioning your opinion of chrome being insecure and explaining that if chrome really was insecure about your personal information, it doesn't matter unless you have something to hide.
opera is my favorite browser
HTML5 is not a silver bullet
Well, I am not sure why Linux users are celebrating the death of the Linux flash plugin (outside of Chrome). HTML5 is hardly a solution to lot of problems. For one, I think most sites that do switch to HTML5 video will be using h264. Most of the browsers going forward are going to support h264 videos (IE9/10, Chrome, future Firefox on Windows/Android, Safari, mobile Safari). h264 video will likely not be supported by Firefox under Linux. They are only able to do so on systems where the OS provides the licensed decoder.
So if flash dies, you will simply be unable to view videos on most sites under Firefox on Linux. Not sure how that is a good thing?
People also complain about Flash ads. But well, HTML5 is not going to solve that problem. You will eventually see equally annoying HTML5 ads using fancy CSS3 effects and what-not written using poorly performing code.
To schmidtbag: Well, I used Chrome in the past, but since they've changed their ToS, I "switched sides" to Opera (on Linux) and Firefox (on Windows/Linux)... I didn't want to have a social network site associated with my (ex) Google Account (In this point, I'm more like Stallman ), so I ceased using Chrome/having a Google Account before the change of ToS...
Cheers and... Peace!
Last edited by evolution; 03-31-2012 at 08:45 PM.
uh, good point. It will be much harder to block those compared to today's flash crap (flashblock).
Originally Posted by codedivine