Many FSF Priority Projects Still Not Progressing

[asdx]

we need flash because of pornography

http://youporn.com allows you to download the video then you can play it with mplayer, vlc, etc.

Also, you have http://thepiratebay.se/ for pornography (and everything else).

[XorEaxEax]

You said what I wanted to say in harsher words than I myself could write.!

Well to be perfectly honest I think much of the harshness comes from me being hung-over today.

Instead, someone who is serious about furthering the goals of the FOSS movement (important: free and open source) would support both the FSF and the open source camps' efforts.

Well I don't really care that Micheal doesn't like FSF, what pisses me off are when he consciously tries to misrepresent them in order to make them look bad. It's the worst kind of shit I'd only expect from some Microsoft-pro BS site, but then again Micheal removed the 'focusing on Linux' part from the site banner so maybe this is all part of some ugly ass transition... It's obvious that he is trying hard to paint a picture of FSF failing in open source, which I can only assume is supposed to reflect on the GPL. Wasn't there an Apple employee who was moderator here a while back? Yeah, I know, tinfoil hat and all but 'articles' like these really shows not only a strong bias but a penchant for outright distorting the truth in order to futher some f***ing agenda.

It's extra sad because I find that the technical articles (like the benchmarks) have recently improved in quality what with much better disclosure on test conditions.

[XorEaxEax]

Maybe Michael misunderstood the point of the list, but the broader picture is pretty fucking pathetic. The only successful FLOSS projects are ones with organization or corporate backing.

Software I use daily on my machine are (from the top of my hung-over head):

Inkscape, Gimp, Blender, MyPaint, x264, mplayer, flac, deadbeef, thunar, VP8, GCC, Transmission, openbox, tint2, rxvt-unicode, gedit, shotwell, 7-zip, gsopcast, Firefox, Virtualbox and likely tons of other shit I can't think of right now.

Many of these are backed by corporations/organizations, Blender, GCC, VP8, Firefox and Virtualbox but really there are tons of useful FLOSS projects which doesn't have any corporate or organizational backing, like Gimp, Inkscape ,Mypaint, x264, MPlayer, Shotwell, 7-zip which are all amongst those I listed and which are indeed great and 'successful'. And these are just projects I use daily, ask ten other users and the list will likely contain tons of other applications.

[siride]

Software I use daily on my machine are (from the top of my hung-over head):

Inkscape, Gimp, Blender, MyPaint, x264, mplayer, flac, deadbeef, thunar, VP8, GCC, Transmission, openbox, tint2, rxvt-unicode, gedit, shotwell, 7-zip, gsopcast, Firefox, Virtualbox and likely tons of other shit I can't think of right now.

Many of these are backed by corporations/organizations, Blender, GCC, VP8, Firefox and Virtualbox but really there are tons of useful FLOSS projects which doesn't have any corporate or organizational backing, like Gimp, Inkscape ,Mypaint, x264, MPlayer, Shotwell, 7-zip which are all amongst those I listed and which are indeed great and 'successful'. And these are just projects I use daily, ask ten other users and the list will likely contain tons of other applications.

All the big ones are backed by corporations. The little ones are good, sometimes, but there is no innovation there. The ones you mentioned -- Gimp, Inkscape, Mypaint, Shotwell, MPlayer, 7-zip -- are all decent pieces of software to some extent, but they are not innovative. Most are clones of proprietary software that solved the hard problems years ago, and some, like Gimp, aren't even good clones and certainly are years behind their proprietary rivals. It's great to have free versions out, but you can't really hold them up as major success stories in the software world.

[asdx]

Michael is a M$ fanboi.

[XorEaxEax]

All the big ones are backed by corporations. The little ones are good, sometimes, but there is no innovation there. The ones you mentioned -- Gimp, Inkscape, Mypaint, Shotwell, MPlayer, 7-zip -- are all decent pieces of software to some extent, but they are not innovative.

Can you point me to this 'innovation' which is somehow a special attribute of proprietary software?

Most are clones of proprietary software

Then pretty much ALL proprietary software are clones of proprietary software. Obviously given that proprietary software has a longer history than open source software there will be proprietary examples of just about every open source project available, but the same holds true for just about every proprietary project available. Photoshop did not invent software photo manipulation, they created the best software for photo manipulation and thus became the industry standard.

that solved the hard problems years ago

What are these hard problems that was solved?

and some, like Gimp, aren't even good clones and certainly are years behind their proprietary rivals.

Gimp is obviously not a 'good clone' of Photoshop as it is evidently not aiming to be a 'clone'. Apart from Photoshop what are these rivals you claim it's 'years behind' ?

It's great to have free versions out, but you can't really hold them up as major success stories in the software world.

Why not? Don't they have lots of users? Aren't they being actively developed? Can't they be successful unless they kill off proprietary software in the same category?

[Del_]

Guys please keep it civil. You are all better than this. Phoronix is doing a fantastic effort for the GPL projects of this world, and PTS uses GPL. The accusations made in this thread is not doing anybody any good.

Siride, linux itself was a spare time project for quite some time. Kdenlive still has no corporate backing to my knowledge. And the list goes on. GPL is not about to loose anything, it is gaining momentum every day.

[Ex-Cyber]

The ones you mentioned -- Gimp, Inkscape, Mypaint, Shotwell, MPlayer, 7-zip -- are all decent pieces of software to some extent, but they are not innovative.

You asked for "successful", and given examples you now complain that they're not "innovative". Please put down the goalposts.

[not.sure]

Was this the backup article for when the steam-whatever big news stuff would fall through?

[asdx]

Guys please keep it civil. You are all better than this. Phoronix is doing a fantastic effort for the GPL projects of this world, and PTS uses GPL. The accusations made in this thread is not doing anybody any good.

Siride, linux itself was a spare time project for quite some time. Kdenlive still has no corporate backing to my knowledge. And the list goes on. GPL is not about to loose anything, it is gaining momentum every day.

OK I apologize for the things I've said, that was immature. Sorry Michael and apologies to the FOSS community.