OpenBSD 5.1 Released

[kraftman]

Killing random processes instead of the singular process eating all of your RAM is a hack, and a bad one.

It's not a random process, but the process with lowest priority. It's Linux and this is also tunable. Calling good feature a hack that's also present in other professional systems is stupid.

DNS servers not serious enough for you?

Most of the DNS servers are running on Linux.

[soupbowl]

The same happens with newer BSD releases - new regressions are introduced, so we can call it a Regression BSD OS, don't you think? Linux hardware support is superior compared to BSD, Solaris, OS X and Windows (when we exclude third party drivers).

I'd like to know what wifi cards you have, I have 6 wifi cards and none of them work correctly in linux. 1 actually works but the wifi range is about 60% lower then it is in windows. 2 of them used to work, until a regression hit the drivers and they have not been update in a longtime. Also saying Linux has superior hardware support to windows is a joke. Out of the box without internet it might, but overall it does not. excluding third party support make no sense.

As for the great article showing linux graphics stack beating out windows, I enjoy seeing all the games tested are old OpenGL titles, No on cares to play those games anymore
and windows 7 has terrible support for openGL. Since DX is superior in every way, john carmack agrees.

[soupbowl]

Most of the DNS servers are running on Linux.

Citation Needed?

[LightBit]

Is this citation about Solaris hack that causes something like this:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2...ice-rss-memory

Not stability problem. Java sucks anyway.

It also seems Solaris kills processes even without OOM:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp....4d?fwc=1&pli=1

That's a HACK.

Nobody knows what that perl script was.

Linux, IBM AIX, and HP-UX are using memory overcommiting, so it's Solaris staying behind as usual. What's more interesting memory overcommiting is tunable in Linux. Yeah, enterprise, HPC and stock exchanges chose Linux, because Linux distributions are free and more popular. Stop kidding me:



http://www.informationweek.com/news/...ture/207800195

Solaris was one of the most advanced unix ever.
Well maybe they use it, because of better performance.

Why do you think overcommiting can't be fully disabled? Any back up? Only trolls call features hacks and you are spreading FUD.

http://developers.sun.com/solaris/ar...ubprocess.html again
"it's not a bug, it's a feature"

Linus makes kernel not distributions and there are other people who make testing. Ubuntu for example has QA and test farms, RHEL does a lot of testing, too. You're still comparing apples to oranges.

Linus makes nothing, but he is religious leader. Distributions follow him.


Read "Right vs Wrong": http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/08

[kraftman]

Not stability problem. Java sucks anyway.

Not stability problems in your posts about Linux as well.

Nobody knows what that perl script was.

How this shows OOM is bad while hack in Solaris is good?

Solaris was one of the most advanced unix ever.
Well maybe they use it, because of better performance.

Solaris was one of the most bloated Unix ever. It failed, because Sun started to base on marketing and "features" rather than user needs.

http://developers.sun.com/solaris/ar...ubprocess.html

again
"it's not a bug, it's a feature"

You didn't answer me.

Linus makes nothing, but he is religious leader. Distributions follow him.

I don't care about your personal liking. I explained you some process.

Read "Right vs Wrong": http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/08

Wrong vs Right ; BSD vs Linux ; killed vs living and growing rapidly.

[kraftman]

Citation Needed?

http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/repo...&tn=march_2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...ystems#Servers

[kraftman]

I'd like to know what wifi cards you have, I have 6 wifi cards and none of them work correctly in linux. 1 actually works but the wifi range is about 60% lower then it is in windows. 2 of them used to work, until a regression hit the drivers and they have not been update in a longtime. Also saying Linux has superior hardware support to windows is a joke. Out of the box without internet it might, but overall it does not. excluding third party support make no sense.

I have Atheros based card and it's working great (but I use router for most of the time). Btw. I thought we were talking about wifi situation in BSD compared to Linux? So, BSD and Windows are in the same camp, right? That's somehow imaginable, because BSD is using proprietary friendly license. Linux has superior hardware support to Windows, because Linux drivers belongs to Linux and not to third party members. Windows without third party drivers simply doesn't exist. I explained before I mean Windows without third party drivers.

As for the great article showing linux graphics stack beating out windows, I enjoy seeing all the games tested are old OpenGL titles, No on cares to play those games anymore
and windows 7 has terrible support for openGL. Since DX is superior in every way, john carmack agrees.

You are terribly mistaken. OpenGL is still very important, because it is used on Linux, OS X and Play Station. This is a huge market. After Valve going to Linux its graphic stack will become even better.

[LightBit]

Not stability problems in your posts about Linux as well.

I didn't say BSD or Solaris has better performance. You think Linux is perfect?
Some things are not fully compatible, like stability and performance.

How this shows OOM is bad while hack in Solaris is good?

So tell me which hack was that?

Solaris was one of the most bloated Unix ever. It failed, because Sun started to base on marketing and "features" rather than user needs.

True. Linux is next.

You didn't answer me.

"Mode 2 (which is new in 2.6) is certainly an improvement over modes 0 and 1 available in the older versions of the Linux kernel. However, mode 2 doesn't mean that memory will never be overcommitted. It just uses a different heuristic for guessing how much memory is safe to allow to be allocated."

Wrong vs Right ; BSD vs Linux ; killed vs living and growing rapidly.

growing rapidly = getting bloated

[LightBit]

http://uptime.netcraft.com/perf/repo...&tn=march_2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_s...ystems#Servers

This shows, that FreeBSD is more stable than Linux (distributions).
Because there are much more Linux servers than FreeBSD, but FreeBSD has good ranks.

NetBSD is used by NASA: http://www.netbsd.org/gallery/resear...l#tcp_sat_nasa

[LightBit]

I have Atheros based card and it's working great (but I use router for most of the time). Btw. I thought we were talking about wifi situation in BSD compared to Linux? So, BSD and Windows are in the same camp, right? That's somehow imaginable, because BSD is using proprietary friendly license. Linux has superior hardware support to Windows, because Linux drivers belongs to Linux and not to third party members. Windows without third party drivers simply doesn't exist. I explained before I mean Windows without third party drivers.

I also have Atheros based card and it works great without installing third party drivers on Windows. Also why would somebody use Windows without third party drivers.
Windows at least has more stable driver ABI, so drivers can easly be installed.