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    Phoronix: Mageia 2 Linux Released

    The second release of Mageia Linux is now available...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEwNTI

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    As I've questioned in an earlier post this week - what is the point of this? I went to their About page and I just see no compelling reason at all to use them vs any other major pre-configured desktop (or server) distro. There's a reason Mandriva is failing, I'm not sure why some of its developers branched off to Mageia.

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    They branched off exactly because they saw Mandriva was failing, and they wanted to make sure the distribution wasn't dependent on such an unstable company. With Mandriva S. A. giving more things to the community, it would be interesting to see both merge again ("Mandragora Linux"? ). But Mageia is still a good project regardless. Their distribution is still small, but that's why it feels very "cozy", developers are being helpful and willing to provide help (and receive help in terms of packaging and such). Oh, and they actually provide a good variety of LiveCDs, with free software.

    Also, since when do Linux distributions need a reason for existing? :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatEmerald View Post
    They branched off exactly because they saw Mandriva was failing, and they wanted to make sure the distribution wasn't dependent on such an unstable company. With Mandriva S. A. giving more things to the community, it would be interesting to see both merge again ("Mandragora Linux"? ). But Mageia is still a good project regardless. Their distribution is still small, but that's why it feels very "cozy", developers are being helpful and willing to provide help (and receive help in terms of packaging and such). Oh, and they actually provide a good variety of LiveCDs, with free software.

    Also, since when do Linux distributions need a reason for existing? :P
    I know why it branched, but why branch at all? What made this such a necessary decision? I'm not saying Mageia is a bad project, I'm sure its fine, but I don't see what it has to offer vs the dozens of other distros with the same purpose.

    There doesn't need to be a reason for a distro to exist but there absolutely should be. Its stuff just like this why bigger companies don't want to focus on linux - there's too many variations with very little reasoning for almost any of them. I'm a Debian and Arch user and I have yet to hear a GOOD reason for either of those distros to have ever been started in the first place. So you may be wondering why I use them, and its because they do what they intend to do very well. I get the impression that .deb package mangers are more polished than .rpm, and Arch to me seems similar to Gentoo but a hell of a lot less tedious to work with. But my gripe is why couldn't the devs of such distros just contribute to others rather than form a new one? I'd rather get a perfected project with a few quarrels here and there than a bunch of "good enough" projects. I am aware that sometimes there's somebody or a company that is standing in the way. But, even volunteers can be fired/impeached and if a project is open source, a crumbling company (like Mandriva) or a company that could care less about its products (like Oracle with OpenOffice) shouldn't have any problem giving up the project and let people who sincerely care work on it instead. If these people or companies honestly care, then don't get into open source or else listen to your peers.

    This concept of mine isn't that ridiculous. Look at the linux kernel for example - today we've got linux, solaris, android, and some console OSes. These are all variants of the linux kernel, but there aren't that many of them and least they all have drastically different purposes. Why can't distros be the same way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    I know why it branched, but why branch at all? What made this such a necessary decision?
    There has been a community around Mandriva/Mandrake for over ten years. They didn't want to loose it.

    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Its stuff just like this why bigger companies don't want to focus on linux - there's too many variations with very little reasoning for almost any of them.
    Many/most big companies do focus on Linux on the server/embedded/mobile side. It's because there's money in it. The reason companies do not care about desktop Linux is because there isn't... if Linux manages to penetrate the desktop market then things will change naturally. The ammount of distributions has nothing to do with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    I'd rather get a perfected project with a few quarrels here and there than a bunch of "good enough" projects.
    There's no such thing as "perfected" project. People have different intrests and you just can't lump them all together without ruining it for someone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Look at the linux kernel for example - today we've got linux, solaris, android, and some console OSes. These are all variants of the linux kernel, but there aren't that many of them and least they all have drastically different purposes. Why can't distros be the same way?
    Solaris is not based on Linux and Android is just another distribution with different toolchain. You don't really make any sense here I mean all these "console OSes (what ever they might be)" are Linux distributions. Linux distribution is something that is based on Linux. There are numerous mobile, embedded (TV, IVI...), server and desktop oriented Linux distributions. Linux kernel itself is just one componet so it's natural that there's less variants than in a set of thousands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teho View Post
    There has been a community around Mandriva/Mandrake for over ten years. They didn't want to loose it.
    True, but that doesn't change the fact that if it were better than other distros, it wouldn't be struggling. That being said, it's apparently not the best, so why continue a non-profit project when something else is better? Why not contribute to the better ones? I'm aware the word "better" in this situation is relative, but when it comes down to a desktop distro, they all eventually come out to be pretty much the same, so anything that makes a distro slightly better has a greater impact.

    Many/most big companies do focus on Linux on the server/embedded/mobile side. It's because there's money in it. The reason companies do not care about desktop Linux is because there isn't... if Linux manages to penetrate the desktop market then things will change naturally. The ammount of distributions has nothing to do with it.
    Right but I wasn't talking about server, embedded, or mobile markets - I'm aware its successful in that. I was specifically referring to home/office platforms. And you said it yourself - there's no money in it, but there has to be a REASON for that. I'm not saying that uniformity is the 1 and only thing to get linux more popular for commercial software such as games and office products, but its a notable factor.

    There's no such thing as "perfected" project. People have different intrests and you just can't lump them all together without ruining it for someone else.
    Fair enough, but I also didn't say I wanted only 1 distro because that would be asinine. The different core distros (such as Debian or Gentoo) have very different approaches to how a user operates linux, so the variations are necessary. I also feel that variations of desktop distros involving different DEs is necessary. What I don't think is necessary is having Ubuntu, Mint, Ultimate, mepis, and so on all at the same time when they all generally strive for the same goals. at least ubuntu has unity so they have SOMETHING different.

    On a side note, look at Windows and Mac. Their form of installation has barely changed since their inception, and I have yet to hear anyone sincerely complain how they get things done.

    Solaris is not based on Linux and Android is just another distribution with different toolchain.
    Your right, solaris isn't based on linux, but its linux compatible. Android is different enough that you can't just simply run any linux program you want on android and vise versa, therefore making it more than just a distro variant.

    You don't really make any sense here I mean all these "console OSes (what ever they might be)" are Linux distributions. Linux distribution is something that is based on Linux. There are numerous mobile, embedded (TV, IVI...), server and desktop oriented Linux distributions. Linux kernel itself is just one componet so it's natural that there's less variants than in a set of thousands.
    PS3 uses a heavily modified form of linux, and it wouldn't surprise me if PS2, gamecube, and wii do too. You can't just call things like that, or the examples you give as "distributions" because they aren't distributed in the way that something like ubuntu or fedora are.

    @DanL
    You obviously don't know the context in which I asked that question for you to say a statement like that. I'm asking what benefit do they have of branching. I don't understand why this is such a confusing topic to people. If you've got 5 brands of gum that all have flavors that are almost indistinguishable from each other and offer the same price, why do you seriously care about getting any of the other 4? And then you see another company come along and do the same thing, but why? When there's too much variation, nobody wins.

    Seriously for anyone who is disagreeing with me right now, look at distros that are almost identical to each other and tell me what makes it so IMPORTANT for every one of them to continue. Is it REALLY that hard to just install or uninstall a small handful of packages that differ between the others? Hell I use barebone distros, where I'm hundreds of packages away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    I know why it branched, but why branch at all?
    Obviously, you have no idea why it branched if you have to ask that question...

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