06-18-2012, 03:54 PM
I dunno what Linus is upset about, I have not watched the video yet. However the work I've done with OpenGL was done on Linux using NV card + NV proprietary driver and I had no problems. The work I've done with CUDA was on Linux and it worked very well indeed. I hope a pissing match does not develop between Linus and Jen Hsun, because I like NV on Linux.
06-18-2012, 04:07 PM
-> Драйверов блядь нет!
Originally Posted by 0xBADCODE
Hahaha! Almost fell off my chair!!
06-18-2012, 07:34 PM
"Init is too fancy, we only need a root shell"
06-18-2012, 10:43 PM
I think Linus is over-esteeming himself though.
Originally Posted by XorEaxEax
Ehhhh... Not sure that Linux "dominates" in the server space (assuming that "majority" doesn't translate to "dominate", and even then "majority" is questionable depending on which stats one looks at). Depends on the server type I guess. Yes, the BSDs are free and the BSDs had a large segment of the UNIX-like server market for quite awhile there, especially the web server market. But that was before the days of godaddy.com and $10/mo hosting fees. I'm not sure what that looks like now. But that wasn't the point I was making with my statement that you quoted, where I intended to point out that consumer-oriented software and hardware were, for a long time, not supported on Linux. I remember the days where "if it's not open source, GTFOff my system" were quite commonplace. I'm hoping that by now that mentality makes up a small minority of the Linux community. But it's somewhat prevalent on the forums here.
Linux does dominate the HPC sector... of which some of those systems are hooked into NVIDIA GPUs driven by those awfully horrible NVIDIA drivers.
On the desktop -- one of the biggest OS markets -- obviously Linux is practically non-existent. That's not by accident.
Within the past year Linux has taken a small majority in the smartphone market, completely driven by Android which for quite a long time was maligned in the Linux community because Google wasn't a team player. Now that Android is #1, the Linux community wants to brag about Android. Not to mention that Android's popularity would have been completely impossible if it weren't for the proprietary, closed-source binary blobs that people on this website are so frequent to deem the equivalent of Satan's spawn.
Linus was quick to brag about daily Android activations but didn't take the time to mention that driving many of those Android sales is that great Tegra SoC... made by "The Worst Company Ever".
And without Android Linux would be, again, practically non-existent in the mobile space... as it was just a short couple of years ago.
So personally I think Linus came off as a real childish turd. NVIDIA has helped and supported Linux plenty, in its own way, and much more than most companies out there have.
06-18-2012, 11:07 PM
"Working with NVidia" is very different than "using NVidia's product".
Originally Posted by hoohoo
Seeing if an OpenGL app works is very different than trying to maintain a kernel, making updates, debugging it, getting in contact with NVidia developers, etc.
06-19-2012, 12:36 AM
06-19-2012, 12:56 AM
Or in other words,
Originally Posted by johnc
"Move along here, nothing to see."
06-19-2012, 01:15 AM
linus looks more like tux every year :)
maybe it's the black jacket/white shirt ensemble. check the first frame of the vid.
06-19-2012, 01:57 AM
I agree fully with Mr Torvalds.
Nvidia Fuck You!
06-19-2012, 03:34 AM
Maybe the worst for kernel developers, but for now it seems to be the least problematic for end users.