NVIDIA PR Responds To Torvalds' Harsh Words

[kotakotakota]

To be completely honest, I feel like we push for a little too much sometimes: the whole attitude toward everything having to be open source is a little ridiculous. Sure it would be nice if Nvidia released open source drivers, but to be honest, I'm more interested in the performance of my drivers than the license. That said, I really do wish Nvidia would have a bit of a nicer attitude toward us. I'm sure they will soon though with Linux gaming on the rise.

[Need4Speed]

In response, in his latest video blog, Jen-Hsun Huang dropped his pants, mooned the camera and shouted, "Kiss my ass, Linus! Kiss it! Kiss it" as he repeatedly smacked his butt. Later, at a Redmond conference, in front of a shocked audience, Bill Gates grabbed his crotch and growled, "I got your open source right here, baby!"

[asdx]

I'm a gamer. I've only once used a Nvidia card under linux...never again. Artifacts all over the game(s), the fan always went to 'I'm as loud as I can be' mode and that thing still managed to overheat, forcing a shutdown of the computer in the process. That was ~2 years ago

atm I've a HD5870 in my PC (that's enough for running OilRush on max'd settings @1920*1200 with Gnome3) and an old AMD dual core processor.

I can't speak for multi-head setups, since I only have one 24" screen but aside from that (and the hiccup that was caused by some stupid person changing some lines in the kernel that was released with Ubuntu 12.04 which some people on this board managed to fix) the driver runs fine with that card.



the gaming example is pure bullshit. You can play games as good with an AMD card as you can with a Nvidia card.

for the video thing: what videos are you talking about? Totem/VLC is working fine, flash is working fine...I never experienced any 'tearings'. I read about that before but as of now I never encountered it.

You run OilRush with your HD5870 using open source drivers?

[MonkeyPaw]

Ubuntu 12.04 on Intel HD 3000. No complaints. When I bought my last notebook, I just grabbed an i3 SB machine and added an SSD. Boots to login in 5 seconds, no blobs required.

[asdx]

So for them supporting Linux is "important", but they design hardware feature with "windows only" in mind ?
Bullshit!
If supporting Linux is so important for them, why do we have to rely on a third party hack (bumblebee) in order to get Optimus (and so our expensive nvidia chip) working ?!

They are full of shit and lying, perhaps the best we could do is stop buying their crap, if we wanted to go far perhaps we could make the kernel not compatible with the blob anymore (i.e. breaking it), so we get rid of that cancer (nvidia blob) completely.

Buy Intel or AMD.

FUCK NVIDIA!

[asdx]

Ubuntu 12.04 on Intel HD 3000. No complaints. When I bought my last notebook, I just grabbed an i3 SB machine and added an SSD. Boots to login in 5 seconds, no blobs required.

Sweet. Yeah, Intel rocks.

[ChrisXY]

I think you can buy laptop with Nvidia graphic card (without Optimus):

I don't get why we have switchable graphics in the first place.

Did somebody really think "Our graphics cards drain the battery too much on idle so we should also put in another graphics chip from another company that can display stuff while we idle so we can power off our card..."?

Why not try to build a modular graphics card where you could actually electrically turn off many parts so that the remaining parts still can provide basic 3d acceleration and render 2d stuff?

[Teho]

They are full of shit and lying, perhaps the best we could do is stop buying their crap, if we wanted to go far perhaps we could make the kernel not compatible with the blob anymore (i.e. breaking it), so we get rid of that cancer (nvidia blob) completely.

I don't see problem with the blob if it doesn't affect the developement of the kernel itself and AFAIK it does not get any special treatment. Linux often changes its driver interfaces and NVIDIA has to adabt to that already. It's quite obvious that desktop/laptop Linux is not really important for NVIDIA. It's the super computers, mobile and dedicated workspaces. Pointlessy fighting NVIDIA doesn't get us any better drivers.

[bulletxt]

It's funny because people still didn't understand that NVIDIA cares about Linux for only one reason: professional usage. They don't give (and it's obvious) a shit about all the rest. They need to make Maya software be perfect under Linux and all those super professional software because Linux is really used in such areas.


They don't give a shit of all the rest. To make it short, they don't give a shit about you. You should all accept this. They will care about you only when Linux becomes a true succesfull gaming platform. They are a company, they look at money. Linux "desktop" is not a business for them, do you guys get this or are you too blind to accept the reality?

Professional usage, that's all about it. All the rest is bullshit.

The summary:
0) NVIDIA cares only about money and market share (definition of a surviving company)
1) you are no one for NVIDIA (actually, you are a disturbing piece of shit for them that talks too much on the internet)
2) they care about professional usage and don't give a shit about the desktop. There is no such Linux desktop market (they can't go against point 0)
3) they don't give a shit about wayland and new technologies unless really needed to advance (point 0 and 2 is the rule)
4) they don't give a shit about Optimus and any other "special" chipset (point 2 is the rule)
5) they care about Android and all those new hippy things (point 0 is the rule)

[MonkeyPaw]

I don't get why we have switchable graphics in the first place.

Did somebody really think "Our graphics cards drain the battery too much on idle so we should also put in another graphics chip from another company that can display stuff while we idle so we can power off our card..."?

Why not try to build a modular graphics card where you could actually electrically turn off many parts so that the remaining parts still can provide basic 3d acceleration and render 2d stuff?

The latest round of cards from AMD and nVidia do power down significantly at idle. I think the 7970 consumes like 5W at idle, but scales up to 250-300W under load. That's huge savings....on a desktop. A 5W idle would be about a 50% consumption increase on an idle notebook with an IGP. The integrated GPU on llano and ivy/sandy bridge are far more efficient at idle, and should even be capable of desktop 3D tasks most of the time. That's why switching graphics is a good answer, as the dedicated graphics will never power down that much, due to the need of supplying board logic, basic GPU functions, and DDR5.