Wow a lot kids in this forum that just bitch and bitch and not know anything how businesses work and what nVidia have been and is doing now. Let me see on my setup with GeForce8 8400M GS with a dual monitor setup that was easy to setup with nvidia-settings, so you might ask does it work. Yes it does. The close-source driver works very well. OpenGL works just fine. I can play games with out being limited of OpenGL instructions. The first nVidia that I used in Linux was a GeForce3 and then a GeForceFX, so I may ask again does it work. Yes it does. I can play Unreal Tournament: TGOY Edition and Unreal Tournament 2004. WINE is not optimized for nVidia because WINE has not optimize their code for speed. WINE only optimized their code for compatibility with Windows applications. WINE developers and Cedega recommends nVidia because nVidia supports all OpenGL instructions. ATI or now is AMD graphics does not support all OpenGL that they said their drivers supports.
VDPAU on my GeForce8 8400M GS at this time does not work because of some odd reason. It worked when it first was implement. I am using nVidia driver version 290.10. The amount of times that I use VDPAU is never because Mplayer supports multi-threading, so hardware acceleration for me becomes redundant. Though nVidia does actually fix their drivers if there is a problem. I had problem in previous releases when OpenGL is initialized the screen goes blank and few seconds later it goes back to normal or shows the graphics.
I do not just have nVidia graphic cards. I also have ATI and AMD radeon graphic cards. I have a ATI Radeon 64 VIVO, an ATI Radeon 32, and a AMD Radeon HD from a 780G chipset. Sometimes I test where the open source drivers are at. They are still far behind of supporting all features compared to nVidia supports for their products. Sure I can use fglrx or AMD graphics closed-source drivers, but it does not provide complete features and there are some missing OpenGL instructions in these drivers. Running games that I have might work with AMD graphic cards, but not all games if I run with WINE or Cedega.
For everybody's information, nVidia did try support Optimus in Linux, but the way that nVidia is going to use is kernel developers say NO. They say no to nVidia because of feature that can help Linux future proof itself for better desktop support that can benefit other companies like Intel and AMD have switching support. There is a bureaucracy going on with Linux internally, so it getting very messy. Linus Travolds wants Linux be for desktops, but the Linux community seems it should not be. Even Linus Travolds acts that Linux should not be for desktops.
I say WOW again because the people in the Linux community acts like a religious fanatic in a way that everything should be open source. I use Linux on a daily basis with mixture of open source and closed source programs and drivers, it works well and gives the best of both worlds. I tired of the Linux community because there are too many religious fanatics that say open source good, close source bad, and Linus Travolds good to bow to. Sheesh people go get a brain, so you be your own individual because sounds like a broken record.
where should that end next time they bring theyr own commercial xserver with it because they are tired of the xorg api changes? where is wayland support when will it come in 1000 years? I see the next ubuntu rts where wayland is then preinstalled as default displayserver and when you want to use the nvidia blob you have to install the old xserver *omg*
again, you can call somebody fanatic when he says mono and java programms are not free people even I somewhat agree a bit here but I am a bit of fanatic at least in your eyes, but linus is that not, he just used for his project the gpl lisence the kernel and now somebody tries to make "plugins" to kind of fork his kernel to a closed source blob (what would so if you see it that way would be illigal) so the workaround this way a legal forbitten way.
And even here linus would like I know his words not be to bad mannered about this trick and about this driver, if they would give out some specs and reakt not when they want to, and jmust let some people some of their customers sit in the shit with their hardware like this optimus stuff was. because they think hmm onl xy count of users of our customers have such a setup, fuck it you get never in 1000 years from us even a closed source driver.
you did read the part where he said;
...right?As for nVIDIA, they told many useless words. What a worthless company.
I think you need to calm down/relax, asdx. I didn't get the impression he was 'defending' them. He goes on about patents, and then calls nvidia a 'worthless company'.
My advice - chill the @#$% out - or go and fork linux like you were talking about before and write your own damn OpenGL 4.2 drivers that are competitive and/or better than Nvidia's *nix drivers.
Personally, while nvidia's development in linux, may not be ideal (far from it, at least in terms of working with OSS developers) they still make a kickass driver that is arguably the best video driver available for linux.
what are you going to do next, tell me to go fuck myself, like you own this forum, because i am a happy nvidia user?
VDPAU/Flash works fine here, has since the first time i saw 'blue skin on youtube' and fixed it. Sure it is a hack, but at least it works and only took all of about 2 minutes to fix. ~ and i have an Nvidia employee to thank for this
Open the specs to help independent developers improve nouveau and support features Nvidia doesn't want to. Plugging a closed-source blob into a fast-changing open-source kernel is difficult, and if Nvidia wants to waste time on doing this, they are welcome to, but there's no reason not to release specs so other people can work on a free driver.
Goodbye!I tired of the Linux community because there are too many religious fanatics that say open source good, close source bad, and Linus Travolds good to bow to.
I like to be able to do whatever the fuck I want to do on MY COMPUTER, which is to fucking compute whatever I want it to. nVidia SUCKS because they sell hardware that CAN'T BE PROGRAMMED to do what I WOULD WANT IT TO DO.
It's like "Here's your brand new Ferrari, sir. Nope you can't drive it yourself. OMG freedom fanatic little kid! It's better than a Volkswagen Golf, moron! Ferrari has the right to stay in controll of the Ferrari because it's a company!"
Do you realise how dumb defending nVidia sounds?
If you want hardware that you can manipulate to your every desire, here you go.
@locovace; I can change the internals of my toaster if I damn please. It doesn't mean that I might actually want to do that, but that's not the point; I can if I damn please. I wouldn't give a shit if it was legal to reverse engineer a GeForce driver, but guess what? It's forbidden by law. That means that I'm not free to do whatever the fuck I want to do with a logical list of ones and zeros. Since nVidia didn't lobby for these laws, but doesn't specifically state on the packageing that it is illegal to figure out how it works, since they forbid me from doing it by no releasing documentation, they suck. And if I could figure it out myself I wouldn't care either, but the way that they deliver the product, they effectively forbid me figure out if it's illegal to use the card in any way other than I might be able to want.
That's why they suck. They try their best to deliver a product that could theoretically land me in jail! If that's not the pineacle of SUCK, what is?