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Last edited by AJenbo; 06-21-2012 at 01:09 PM.
lol, wut???Originally Posted by the article
Please tell me there's a mistake in there somewhere.
I am a Fedora user using the R600g driver for gaming. As such, I can understand both perspectives here.
In general though, in terms of infrastructure, I think Linux does have a better driver infrastructure than Windows, especially the newer ones that require everything to be signed by Microsoft before even being released. When a driver on Linux is a proper Linux driver (free software and in-kernel) it will usually work better out of the box and be maintained far longer than on Windows.
Case in point, I know someone with an older Compaq/HP Laptop who can only use sound on Windows 7 through USB headsets because HP never released a Windows 7 driver for her sound card despite insisting several times that they would. Meanwhile, I could put Fedora on that thing and everything would be working perfectly, sound, video and everything. It is even on R300g, so graphics should be pretty much out of the box too. This is part of the reason why Linux is popular on older machines.
That being said, as it stands, I fully recognize that my Radeon HD 4670 is not giving me the full performance of the hardware at the moment. It is certainly enough that I can stand it, especially since I tend to play older games or indie games, but I have done some more demanding stuff on it such as Trine 2 and I will be playing Amnesia now that I have HIB V. But why am I not getting full performance if Linux has better infrastructure?
Well, the best made framework in the world is only as good as the people who use it, and unfortunately in these areas not enough developers are putting work in to contribute. It is not an issue of system faults, except in a few choice circumstances, but simply because no one has put the effort in to develop for Linux.
One good idea posted on here was to do something like what Microsoft and Apple do with singed drivers, but instead of using it as a restriction merely use it as a certification. For instance, some larger body such as the Linux Foundation could verify and approve certain hardware on Linux, and then manufactures can brag that it is Linux certified or whatever. Major vendors such as Red Hat or Canonical could even contribute financially to a fund ran by the people behind this in order to get more and more vendors interested and getting their hardware certified. It would certainly be an interesting idea.
I was summersing/pharafrasing.
it sounds to me, that you just don't require anything special, which essentially makes your points 'pointless'.
I am happy droidhacker that you never experience any problems, but lots of people do - and this IS a weak area / problematic part of linux - that you seem to just completely ignore as being valid, since you personally don't have any problems. How ignorant of you :\
Ok, so... one in... a million users... does professional 3D rendering. They PAY for support from the hardware manufacturers on appropriate hardware.Point OSS drivers are slower: So what? They're plenty fast enough for the VAST majority of users, who DON'T use their computers for stupid crap like playing games.
- What about professionals who want to do 3D rendering, people who hardware-accelerated video playback (via GL/CL or hardware blocks). Faster drivers are also probably more efficient drivers, which could mean better battery life on laptops.
Hardware accelerated video playback: works out of the box for my crystalhd... Not sure what your point is here.
For zero benefit to 99.9999% of users. Irrelevant.Point OSS drivers have fewer features: Same as previous point -- SO WHAT? They do what they need to do.
- I'd like MSAA, lower power usage, complete OpenCL support, etc.. The OSS drivers provide a composited desktop and some performance, but there's still room for improvement and implementation of additional/newer standards.
TV-out: you plug your tv in, you click the "detect displays" button, and enable. Wow. That so hard?Point difficult to configure drivers: Huh? Not at all. KMS = automatic config in VAST majority of cases, tweaking at GUI System Settings --> Display.
- Alright, so where do I configure TV-out, power profiles, Anti-Aliasing settings, Anisotropic settings, video decode post-processing, and the host of other options that catalyst/nvidia give you (especially under windows).
The rest of the crap you list is either automatic or not something that anybody would actually be interested in.
And the fact that I can just take ANY brand new computer from the store, drop in the F17 install disk, and end up with a FULLY functional desktop, PROVES that you haven't a leg to stand on with that one.Point documentation != developers: Development is plenty fast enough to satisfy virtually everyone.
- The quantity of articles here on Phoronix showing the OSS drivers still playing catch-up and the number of discussion threads attached to them indicate otherwise.
LMAO!!! Automatically contradict any provided evidence as "outlier" when evidence is available proving that you are actually WRONG.Point linux power consumption > microshit: LIES. I briefly ran microshit7 on my newly acquired laptop to update the BT module in my car... it ran the CPU fan at no less than 50% the entire time. Installed Fedora 17 with discrete GPU disabled, and fan OFF 90%+ of the time, briefly comes on MINIMUM speed when the temp exceeds 40. I DARE YOU to tell me that its using more power in Linux.
- Good for you, you've got a laptop that was broken in windows and happens to work in Linux. My laptop gets 2-3 hours of battery life in Linux, 4+ in windows, and 5+ in MacOS.
What's your point? And who is waiting?Point sound cards slow to support: Never heard of this before. Every sound card I've EVER seen has worked fully out of the box.
- Most sound cards I've used have worked correctly out of the box, but some HDMI audio has required waiting for development or setting kernel parameters to get them to work.
Lexmark: enough said. Your printer is a piece of shit in ANY OS.Point poor printer support: That's really REALLY funny... because I just did a fresh F17 install on my new laptop, and I didn't have to do **ANYTHING** to set up the (NETWORK/WIFI laser) printer. File --> Print, and guess what? It already had the printer configured without me having to DO ANYTHING.
- Lucky. My Lexmark S505 works wonderfully in Windows/MacOS, but the Linux drivers that Lexmark provides refuse to work on Mint 13 x86-64.
Funny, I have one of those too, and also funny... all the buttons do something with no 3rd party software required.Point poor peripheral support: If you have ever seen a keyboard or mouse that did NOT work in Linux, let me know about it and I'll tell you how to PLUG IT IN. MUCH more unusual equipment than a simple keyboard or mouse works perfectly.... scanners, webcams, etc.
- The basic parts of all of my keyboards/mice work, but my Logitech MX Revolution requires 3rd party, unmaintained software to get most of the buttons working.
My absolute favorite microshit driver problem is LAN drivers... because you can't even download the rest of the drivers until you have those working.