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Thread: NVIDIA Loses Huge GPU Order Due To Linux Blob

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    Indeed. AMD, how about hiring ten more devs?

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    Interesting; this dovetails nicely with the rumours that AMD was looking to buy MIPS outright. Considering MIPS' current market cap is at about $350 million (up from $275-ish in early April), I could actually see this being a calculated move. After all, China are huge MIPS users and word on the street is they Don't Like Intel At All. More, it gives AMD some top-notch embedded engineering talent and lets them abandon ARM licensing for better-performing MIPS designs. They've got a process switch coming up anyway; why not switch arch on some lines, too? And again, Western companies have had a lot of trouble breaking into China and it's a very ripe market as people become more affluent over there.

    Now, of course the above is all speculation, but I can easily envision an AMD of the near future that's extended the block paradigm of Bulldozer to various combinations of heterogenous cores. MIPS/ARM, amd64, and Radeon all on one wafer? It's just an eventuality if they want to remain relevant and it's something they've been pushing toward for a few years now. We shall see.

    (Of course, we have to disclaim that the post itself is based on a rumour; nothing can be considered confirmed until there's a press release from AMD or the buyer.)

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    Hmm, there was another reply from an NVIDIA employee.
    Let's see where this is going:

    http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pi...ne/000304.html

    Edit: Sorry, wrong thread. :/
    Last edited by entropy; 06-23-2012 at 09:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropy View Post
    Hmm, there's a reply from an NVIDIA employee.
    Let's see where this is going:

    http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pi...ne/000304.html
    All nVidia need to do to match AMD/ATI is to release programming specifications for nVidia GPUs. That's it. It is incredibly simple. Why are nVidia (developers) even asking, they must surely know by now that this is what is required.

    Programming specifications must exist, so it would cost nVidia nothing. Releasing programming specifications does not reveal any nVidia IP, since no-one can make a competing chip from programming specifications. Just ask AMD how many clones of their chips have turned up after AMD released programming specifications ... nada. If nVidia were to release programming specifications, the nouveau project could make their open source driver for Linux actually useful.

    Then nVidia would not be in any danger of losing more and more deals such as this.

    Where is the harm nVidia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hal2k1 View Post
    All nVidia need to do to match AMD/ATI is to release programming specifications for nVidia GPUs. That's it. It is incredibly simple. Why are nVidia (developers) even asking, they must surely know by now that this is what is required.

    Programming specifications must exist, so it would cost nVidia nothing. Releasing programming specifications does not reveal any nVidia IP, since no-one can make a competing chip from programming specifications. Just ask AMD how many clones of their chips have turned up after AMD released programming specifications ... nada. If nVidia were to release programming specifications, the nouveau project could make their open source driver for Linux actually useful.

    Then nVidia would not be in any danger of losing more and more deals such as this.

    Where is the harm nVidia?
    I fully agree.
    Still, I'm afraid I'm not relevant to their decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allquixotic View Post
    If this is indeed true and confirmed, that's awesome.

    Ten million graphics cards? I guess they don't do anything small in communist China...
    just so you know: China is not a communist state (in fact, we never had a communist state on this planet) but instead a de-facto dictatorship.

    In other news: Just because it says 'low fat' on potatoe crisps doesn't make them healthy/calory free.

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    Lol

    PS: reaction to the news, not to any comment in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by hal2k1 View Post
    Where is the harm nVidia?
    It might be as simple as 'releasing documentation costs money'. Our friends from AMD will probably confirm that it's a lot of work and takes time, a bunch of lawyers and sofware and hardware engineers to write, clean up, review and release documentation.

    Fear to lose "IP" perhaps as well, but that's more like and irrational worry because the nouveau guys will find out the relevant information anyway and document how nvidia GPUs work and evolve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Detructor View Post
    just so you know: China is not a communist state (in fact, we never had a communist state on this planet) but instead a de-facto dictatorship.
    Your distinction is worthless and reflects your wholly ignorant understand and/or intentional blindness towards the history of communism, marxist, and socialist thought and history.

    This just reflects the desire of most 'communists' or 'socialists' to re-write history and change definitions to keep their illusions and misconceptions about economics and the human condition alive.

    Regardless China is no longer trying to be a communist state because communist state is self-destructive and is a terrible way to try to run a society. They are adopting a evolved model of what is increasingly popular in Europe and United States.. totalitarian government working hand in hand with corporate interests to ensure that the power elite can keep their power while still having a healthy economy. (which isn't really going to work either)

    In other news: Just because it says 'low fat' on potatoe crisps doesn't make them healthy/calory free.
    In other news: Saying that potatoe crisps are in fact yellow fried taco bits and denying that they were ever potatoe crisps in the first place does not make potatoe crisps healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by not.sure View Post
    It might be as simple as 'releasing documentation costs money'. Our friends from AMD will probably confirm that it's a lot of work and takes time, a bunch of lawyers and sofware and hardware engineers to write, clean up, review and release documentation.
    So, loosing at least 350 million dollars doesn't cost money? Or releasing documentation would cost more than selling 10 million graphics chips?

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