Chrome 20 Takes Over Adobe Flash On Linux

[AJenbo]

I am pretty sure this was a mistake in the post, because Chromium is the Dev OpenSource only version of the stable Google Chrome, and since the PPAPI isn't OpenSource, it is very unlikely that we will find flash directly on Chromium. So for now we have to just stay with the old version available in the repositories.

PPAPI is an open api, chromium supports it, but probably won't come with the flash plugin included.

[uid313]

Because no plugins used it at all up to now. The PPAPI plugin is not available outside Chrome, though it is maybe possible to use Chrome's flash in another browser with PPAPI support if Chrome is installed.

Well if Firefox adopted it too, then both Firefox and Chrome would support it, then perhaps other browsers would start to support it too.
Then having it supported by Flash, maybe Java, Silverlight/Moonlight, etc could be ported to PPAPI.

Because I heard PPAPI is more secure, so that's a good thing.
Either way, maybe not necessary. Silverlight is dead, and Oracle is fuckin' up with Java, so applets are dead and dying more too. Only Flash is left, and its dying too in favor of HTML5.

Maybe PPAPI is too little too late. PPAPI sounds great, but its something we should have gotten 10 years ago.

Chrome began lightweight but has turned into bloatware. My current Chrome install is about 107MB while Firefox 42MB. Firefox also starts faster while it was the opposite when Chrome first appeared.

I noticed this too. Chrome starts slow now and its huge.

Personally my 2 big problems with Firefox are :
2 - The Instability (Just yesterday, trying Firefox for 10 minutes, and it Freezed my Gnome Session 3 times, I had to hard reset because I couldn't press any key or move anything)...

If one single application can freeze the whole desktop session then perhaps the problem is deeper than that software being buggy.

I think a buggy application shouldn't be able to freeze the whole desktop session.
Maybe this is a problem with graphics device drivers, GNOME, or X.org?

[kokoko3k]

Just tried it... i don't know if i'm doing something wrong, but now i'm unable to use gpu to decode the streams (mms.cfg is properly configured) and when i open it in fullscreen i just see the left half of the video... on my right head (dual head setup).
All used to work fine with flashplugin 10.3.183.10, now it is a mess with 11.3.31.208 on this Nvidia 9600GT.

Great, let's back to firefox with the old flashplugin and flashvideoreplacer with vlc plugin.

[aliasbody]

Well if Firefox adopted it too, then both Firefox and Chrome would support it, then perhaps other browsers would start to support it too.
Then having it supported by Flash, maybe Java, Silverlight/Moonlight, etc could be ported to PPAPI.

Because I heard PPAPI is more secure, so that's a good thing.
Either way, maybe not necessary. Silverlight is dead, and Oracle is fuckin' up with Java, so applets are dead and dying more too. Only Flash is left, and its dying too in favor of HTML5.

Maybe PPAPI is too little too late. PPAPI sounds great, but its something we should have gotten 10 years ago.



I noticed this too. Chrome starts slow now and its huge.


If one single application can freeze the whole desktop session then perhaps the problem is deeper than that software being buggy.

I think a buggy application shouldn't be able to freeze the whole desktop session.
Maybe this is a problem with graphics device drivers, GNOME, or X.org?

Already thought of that but using my Arch Linux installation with Gnome 3 since he came out, and just the 10 minutes when I tested Firefox, I just clicked to close the syncronization window and the DE Freezed... But you know.. I am being a little bit hard with Firefox and I know it. Without Firefox most of the people will continue to use IE, and the Web and Chrome in particular wouldn't be as advanced as they are today.

The real thing I love about Firefox is the GTK integration, and all the OpenSource commitment they made.

As for me saying that the PAPPI was closed source.. sorry about that I didn't search too much and talked before knowing, big mistake there :S

[Kivada]

Why doesn't Mozilla Firefox support PPAPI (Pepper)?

So when will we see PPAPI in Firefox?

How about we don't Implement PPAPI and instead put a bullet in Flash's head?

[89c51]

How about we don't Implement PPAPI and instead put a bullet in Flash's head?

A big part of the web still (sadly) relies on flash. Be it content delivery (vimeo, youtube) or webpages. And even sadder than this its the fact that many that support html5 dont support open codecs (ie .webm, .ogg) or block content for other reasons (ie youtube).

And google doesn't push to the right direction too much.

[Kivada]

2 - The Instability (Just yesterday, trying Firefox for 10 minutes, and it Freezed my Gnome Session 3 times, I had to hard reset because I couldn't press any key or move anything)...

That sounds more like a Gnome problem, I only restart Firefox when there is an update that requires it, I've been running 13.0.1 for 11 days now with 327 tabs across 4 windows. Now though, I don't have Flash installed and i use Adblocking.

Youtube WebM works well enough and TPB and the forums work great for porn.

[aliasbody]

A big part of the web still (sadly) relies on flash. Be it content delivery (vimeo, youtube) or webpages. And even sadder than this its the fact that many that support html5 dont support open codecs (ie .webm, .ogg) or block content for other reasons (ie youtube).

And google doesn't push to the right direction too much.

Google can do HTML5 with youtube, but even that they do bad. Just try to watch a movie in 1080p with Flash on Youtube (if your hardware support it), then try the same thing with the same video on HTML5 mode (if you subscribed on it)... And see the difference, HTML5 will be much but much slower than flash (even without the Hardware Acceleration from flash), and then you can test Daylimotion with the same video in 1080p with flash (since they don't propose HTML5 yet) and you will see diference.. Even my netbook can see the 1080p video on daylimotion, when with Youtube, a simple video in fullscreen (even in 360p) makes the whole video lag.

It is the developpers job to start make more and more HTML5 content, most of the users will not see the diference, but if they like they will support, just like flash at his time.

[aliasbody]

That sounds more like a Gnome problem, I only restart Firefox when there is an update that requires it, I've been running 13.0.1 for 11 days now with 327 tabs across 4 windows. Now though, I don't have Flash installed and i use Adblocking.

Youtube WebM works well enough and TPB and the forums work great for porn.

It can be a flash problem... I will test it today again just in case

Ps: Just loved your last comment xD

[Kivada]

A big part of the web still (sadly) relies on flash. Be it content delivery (vimeo, youtube) or webpages. And even sadder than this its the fact that many that support html5 dont support open codecs (ie .webm, .ogg) or block content for other reasons (ie youtube).

And google doesn't push to the right direction too much.

https://www.youtube.com/html5
http://mycroft.mozdev.org/search-eng...e=Youtube+WebM

Get on Google's ass about not leveraging their tech.