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Learn to lie properly! Dismissed!Originally Posted by Thatguy
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I don't know why people are so terribly skeptical about MS lobbying against this kind of effort in general. MS throws a fit whenever a government even tries to mandate internal agency use of open file formats unless the regulations consider Office Open XML to be "open" (ha).
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It's only at kernel level and only affects drivers. No need for third-rate proprietary stuff which is only causes troubles here and there and slows innovations. At user mode API is quite stable though, so 99% apps don't have to care at all unless they're proprietary and written by completely ignorant authors.
Though if you really need stable api & abi for some reason, you can use things like RHEL (or Centos if you can't afford that or do not need support). They maintain full binary compatibility for a really decent time like 10 years or so.
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MS always uses dirty tricks here and there instead of just making the best software. No, at 1995 there was nothing that could beat them, office 97 has been unbeatable, etc. But these times are gone, long time ago. And they're still using more or less the same kernel. Same 20 years old NTFS with only a minor additions, etc. You see, they simply can't stand direct competition in most areas these days. That's why we have ton of dirty tricks. But it's not going to work for obvious reasons. At the end of day you can't fool the martek laws.
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I have no idea what your blathering about in general. But
Microsoft is a for profit corporation, and behaves as such,
Microsoft makes a good product, which no one has been able to displace "despite its flaws.
Microsoft has made some big changes to the NT kernel series including the dirver design since nt was introduced in the early 90's
Microsoft beat all of its competitors, regardless of your opinion of there product.
The thing that microsoft has done better then everyone else however, is that they have made it easier to develope for their platform, everything from coding to distrobution to testing. They have the best tools and the best install base, so obviously they control a huge portion of the market.
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I'd agree with everything that you've said with the exception that "Microsoft makes a good product, which no one has been able to displace". They make competitive products, none of which I would consider to be "good", in any sense of the word.
Technology is a strange thing. If you head over to macrumors.com or 9to5mac.com, you'll find an expansive and thriving ecosystem of productive users that barely know that MS exists. MS is almost regarded as a cheap and low quality tech company that ignorant wallmart-shopping troll people are forced to use. While I wouldn't take my opinion to that level, I would say that MS's only saving grace is it's integration of AD and groupware. If MS didn't have AD/Exchange, corporations would switch to a linux backend and linux workstations... with one iMac at the reception desk for show.
I always kinda wished that Ubuntu or RHEL would release a rock solid and easy-to-configure SBS and end it all. Instead they have kept their SBS offerings static and moved the hardware to the cloud, as if that would magically make things more desirable for prospective SBS customers.
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Microsoft is commercial company, so it is ESSENTIAL that they are after money.
You are not talking ANYTHING new here. All commercial companies are DESIGNED to make profit.
However, Microsoft does not make "good" product.
And people WERE able to replace it. If they could get away with that...
The microsoft-specific behavior is that instead of making money by offering a good product (regardless open source or closed source) they are ENSLAVING anyone who does not know and destroy anyone who is against.
They are asshats.
Just answer me ONE SINGLE QUESTION:
Which was first year when Microsoft CLONE-SOFTWARE was MASS preinstalled at DUMPING PRICE ?
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Oh you f***ing troll, show me examples of the 'software that breaks every week' because of updated libs.
Damn I'm glad you don't seem to post your stupidity over at the Haiku forums anymore.
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Let's all quote people, and say the exact same thing, but be loud and rude, and phrase it in a way that makes it seem like you're disagreeing with them. Then we can bait them into responding with false dichotomy and bold, underlined, capital letters.
Take a breath. MS is bad. Linux is good. There's no reason to make stuff up about either.
What was the year that MS signed an OEM deal for their software below the retail cost? You'd really have to ask a historian, but...
MS Signed the co-development agreement with IBM in August of 85
November of 85, windows 1.0
OS 2.0 in 87-ish
Windows 2.0 in Dec 87
OS 2.1.1 in 89ish
Windows 3.0 May of 90
Sometime after this, MS released the "Windows software development kit (SDK)", which was met with enthusiasm
So, to answer in the manner in which you asked..
I believe that it was around the 90->93 TIMEFRAME where MS signed DEALS with AST/Compaq/HP/NEC/Zenith/Tandy!!!
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1.) i don't doubt for a second microsoft will try to bribe its way inside russian gov whatever it takes, im not hate ranting i say for sure with first hand experience since my company works as consultant for my country gov(since 2004 the use of FOSS in gov is actually a law here) and i lost count the times that microsoft has offered me or ppl i work with in the gov side dirty deals to sabotage/dissapear/oppose/hinder/etc FOSS projects that will replace microsoft software. They cried a river our choose to replace exchange/AD with samba4/zimbra[open version]. Note i never accepted bribering but many did but so far the pro FOSS side is winning.
2.) i own my own company so i know that bussiness are there to make profit but under no circunstance i accept so casually like some in this forums do, the need of piss all over the laws/bribering/corruption and the likes is needed to run a sucessful company but again american corporation are probably the most power hungry corrupt entities know by man and the US gov is not that far behind either.
3.) technically speaking windows is a insecure mess and prolly crappy enough to hold the 10 crapiest code ever written award but lucky for them most ppl including many in the IT area are too ignorant to bother[if you think your pc is secure cuz you use an AV and surf "carefully" the WEB you are among them] and microsft has been an expert exploiting this ignorance in their faces for 20 years + the draconian deals they forced the OEM's to follow[main reason of their market share these days][intel been there too as we all know] and since 90% of the ppl buy OEM and are too ignorant or stupid to even bother the inside of the product/security of their personal info/etc as long they can watch porn and get into facebook.
4.) for the abi break guy post, do you even understand what an ABI is? and what in the frigging hell are you using that your apps break every week? i dare you to prove it to me LOL. in 10 years beyond nvidia/amd blob i don't remember had any sort of app breakage at all and i work always with at least 5 diff distros and i keep them as bleeeding edge as bleeding edge can be defined, i don't wanna be rude but im very sure is your fault.
if you aren't a troll wich i doubt post more detailed info to get some help unlike you may think "abi break every week" is absoletely 100% NOT helpful
in another matter is me or my gut feeling that microsoft pay ppl to hijack and troll linux threads and post how magnificent windows is no matter how uneducated their responses are?
Note for grammar trolls:
yeah my english is not perfect if you don't like blow me or answer in spanish so i can respect you a little
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