X will not start with fglrx but will with vesa

**agentc0re** · 01-03-2008, 02:49 AM

uname -a

Code:

Linux  2.6.21.5-smp #2 SMP Tue Jun 19 14:58:11 CDT 2007 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

Video card i have is the X1950pro AGP 512mb (Sapphire)
My monitors are 2005fpw dell 20.1" widescreen that support 1650x1080 (i have 2)

when i ran the ati installer, i did it as root and in runlevel 3 @ CLI. all my tests so far have been under root as well until i can figure out what is going on.

My bios is set to 256mb agp aperture.

7.11 did work (well work i mean, X started) 7.12 does not. When i changed driver from fglrx to vesa, X does start so i don't think it's my xorg.

xorg.conf

Code:

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier     "Simple Layout"
	Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
	InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
	InputDevice    "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
	RgbPath      "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/local/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/OTF/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/CID/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Speedo/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load  "dbe"  	# Double buffer extension
	SubSection "extmod"
		Option	    "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
	EndSubSection
	Load  "type1"
	Load  "freetype"
    #Load        "speedo"
	Load  "glx"
	Load  "dri"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
#    Option     "XkbRules"      "xorg"
#    Option     "XkbModel"      "pc105"
#    Option     "XkbLayout"     "us"
#    Option     "XkbVariant"    ""
#    Option     "XkbOptions"    ""
	Identifier  "Keyboard1"
	Driver      "kbd"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Mouse1"
	Driver      "mouse"
	Option	    "Protocol" "PS/2"
	Option	    "Device" "/dev/mouse"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[1]"
	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
	Driver      "vesa"
	BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[1]"
	Driver      "vesa"
	BusID       "PCI:1:0:1"
	Screen      1
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
	Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
	Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
	DefaultDepth     24
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes "1650x1080" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection

EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[1]"
	Device     "aticonfig-Device[1]"
	Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[1]"
	DefaultDepth     24
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes "1650x1080" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection

EndSection

Am i missing something here that would stop X from starting? Weird thing too is that nothing gets logged as far as why it just sit's and hangs on starting X.

lsmod | grep fglrx

Code:

fglrx                1489004  0
agpgart                31432  2 fglrx,amd64_agp

lspci | grep ATI

Code:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X1950 Pro (Primary) (PCIE)
01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X1950 Pro (Secondary) (PCIE)

**Dandel** · 01-03-2008, 06:56 AM

since i do not know which distribution you have, i'll haft to guess at config file locations, but if it's debian/ubuntu this should work...

does the following file exist?

Code:

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.original

if that file exists, copy it over your xorg config file.
otherwise, reinstall the xorg server, using your package manager.

**agentc0re** · 01-03-2008, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by Dandel

since i do not know which distribution you have, i'll haft to guess at config file locations, but if it's debian/ubuntu this should work...

Sorry, I use Slackware 12

Originally Posted by Dandel

does the following file exist?

Code:

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.original

if that file exists, copy it over your xorg config file.
otherwise, reinstall the xorg server, using your package manager.

I tried that just now, and same thing as i described before. vesa works fine. when i try to change the driver in the xorg.conf from vesa to fglrx, X just hangs on starting up. I have also tried to run aticonfig --initial and i still have the same problem.
i'll post my xorg.conf.original.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddqg3848_38d3gx48f7

It was took long because of all the examples, so there's the link. the first xorg.conf is basically the original just with all that shit taken out and the second device section added.

**givemesugarr** · 01-03-2008, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by agentc0re

uname -a

Code:

Linux  2.6.21.5-smp #2 SMP Tue Jun 19 14:58:11 CDT 2007 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

Video card i have is the X1950pro AGP 512mb (Sapphire)
My monitors are 2005fpw dell 20.1" widescreen that support 1650x1080 (i have 2)

when i ran the ati installer, i did it as root and in runlevel 3 @ CLI. all my tests so far have been under root as well until i can figure out what is going on.

My bios is set to 256mb agp aperture.

7.11 did work (well work i mean, X started) 7.12 does not. When i changed driver from fglrx to vesa, X does start so i don't think it's my xorg.

well, vesa is supported by all cards for what i know. for example when the hd series wasn't supported officially in fglrx these boards would run vesa to start xorg. so normally, putting vesa as driver should make your board work. the problem would have been if vesa wouldn't work. as for the resolution, your should not work anymore on 7.12. so i guess that it's best for you to keep on going with the 7.11.

Originally Posted by agentc0re

xorg.conf

Code:

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier     "Simple Layout"
	Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
	InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
	InputDevice    "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Originally Posted by agentc0re

Code:

Section "Module"
	Load  "dbe"  	# Double buffer extension
	SubSection "extmod"
		Option	    "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA extension
	EndSubSection
	Load  "type1"
	Load  "freetype"
    #Load        "speedo"
	Load  "glx"
	Load  "dri"
EndSection

is the extmod option needed?! i don't have it and works without it. try removing all the subsection extmod and insert Load "extmod" in its place.
also set the following

Originally Posted by agentc0re

Code:

Section "InputDevice"
#    Option     "XkbRules"      "xorg"
#    Option     "XkbModel"      "pc105"
#    Option     "XkbLayout"     "us"
#    Option     "XkbVariant"    ""
#    Option     "XkbOptions"    ""
	Identifier  "Keyboard1"
	Driver      "kbd"
EndSection

to

Code:

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver       "kbd"
  Identifier   "Keyboard[0]"
  Option       "Protocol" "Standard"
  Option       "XkbLayout" "us"
  Option       "XkbModel" "pc105"
  Option       "XkbRules" "xorg"
EndSection

also add the following:

Code:

Section "Modes"
  Identifier   "Modes[0]"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
  Identifier "Modes[1]"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
  Option        "AllowMouseOpenFail" "on"
  Option        "IgnoreABI" "on"
  Option        "AIGLX" "off"
EndSection

(if you want aiglx then set to on the option).
and substitute the monitor sections with the following:

Code:

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
        UseModes     "Modes[0]"
        Option       "CalcAlgorithm" "XServerPool"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[1]"
	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
        UseModes     "Modes[1]"
        Option       "CalcAlgorithm" "XServerPool"
EndSection

and the device sections with:

Code:

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
	Driver      "fglrx"
	BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
  Option "BusType" "AGP"
  Option        "BlockSignalsOnLock" "on"
  Option        "Capabilities" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CapabilitiesEx" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CenterMode" "off"
  Option        "DRI" "true"
  Option        "ForceGenericCPU" "no"
  Option        "HWCursor" "On"
  Option        "KernelModuleParm" "locked-userpages=0"
  Option        "mtrr" "off"
  Option        "no_accel" "no"
  Option        "no_dri" "no"
  Option        "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
  Option        "PseudoColorVisuals" "off"
  Option        "RenderAccel" "true"
  Option        "ScreenOverlap" "0"
  Option        "Stereo" "off"
  Option        "StereoSyncEnable" "1"
  Option        "UseFastTLS" "0"
  Option        "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
  Option        "VideoOverlay" "on"
  Option        "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[1]"
	Driver      "fglrx"
	BusID       "PCI:1:0:1"
	Screen      1
  Option "BusType" "AGP"
  Option        "BlockSignalsOnLock" "on"
  Option        "Capabilities" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CapabilitiesEx" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CenterMode" "off"
  Option        "DRI" "true"
  Option        "ForceGenericCPU" "no"
  Option        "HWCursor" "On"
  Option        "KernelModuleParm" "locked-userpages=0"
  Option        "mtrr" "off"
  Option        "no_accel" "no"
  Option        "no_dri" "no"
  Option        "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
  Option        "PseudoColorVisuals" "off"
  Option        "RenderAccel" "true"
  Option        "ScreenOverlap" "0"
  Option        "Stereo" "off"
  Option        "StereoSyncEnable" "1"
  Option        "UseFastTLS" "0"
  Option        "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
  Option        "VideoOverlay" "on"
  Option        "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
EndSection

the problem you might have is that you could also encounter some issues with both the monitors connected so try seeing what happens when you disconnect one of them and comment out the lines for the second monitor.
the other problem that you have is that your board is detected as pcie (old fglrx problem) and this could have you play around a little with the agpgart. the bustype option should have fglrx detect the board as an agp one and enable the agpgart and dri as it should by default, but the wrong bus type might have provoked some problem.
if everyhing goes fine then you can play around with big desktop options and similar stuff.
the next time look into the /var/log/Xorg.0.log after a black screen to see what error has occured. it could help out seeing if there was something wrong.
if you encounter problems post the xorg.0.log and we'll try figuring out the problem and how to best set-up also the monitors (the section lacks the refresh rates and the screen dimensions).

Originally Posted by Dandel

since i do not know which distribution you have, i'll haft to guess at config file locations, but if it's debian/ubuntu this should work...

does the following file exist?

Code:

/etc/X11/xorg.conf.original

if that file exists, copy it over your xorg config file.
otherwise, reinstall the xorg server, using your package manager.

this file should not be loaded. the one that is loaded by xorg is /etc/X11/xorg.conf and should be the same on all the distributions. the other xorg.conf.whatever files are just backup created by distro setting programs.
also, don't reinstall xorg!!!! is useless. when problems get out because of misconfigurations then they would be fixed after setting the configuration to the right one. also if you use gentoo the reinstall of the xorg packages would take quite some time.
remember that this is not windows on which when a program doesn't work you just reinstall it. usually in linux you first verify the configs and after setting them right if there's no other way of fixing things then you might consider reinstalling the package.

**liqor_mortis** · 01-03-2008, 01:25 PM

Just a minor point, you have 1650x1080 in the modes section. Shouldn't that be 1680x1050? I don't know if that would affect the xorg start though.

**Compxpert** · 01-03-2008, 02:48 PM

Try: cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep "(EE)"

Tell me what that gives you if I'm right I think you also have the PreInitDAL problem.

**agentc0re** · 01-03-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by liqor_mortis

Just a minor point, you have 1650x1080 in the modes section. Shouldn't that be 1680x1050? I don't know if that would affect the xorg start though.

Thank you for pointing that out. I always switch those two numbers for some reason.

Originally Posted by Compxpert

Try: cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep "(EE)"

Tell me what that gives you if I'm right I think you also have the PreInitDAL problem.

Originally Posted by givemesugarr

this file should not be loaded. the one that is loaded by xorg is /etc/X11/xorg.conf and should be the same on all the distributions. the other xorg.conf.whatever files are just backup created by distro setting programs.
also, don't reinstall xorg!!!! is useless. when problems get out because of misconfigurations then they would be fixed after setting the configuration to the right one. also if you use gentoo the reinstall of the xorg packages would take quite some time.
remember that this is not windows on which when a program doesn't work you just reinstall it. usually in linux you first verify the configs and after setting them right if there's no other way of fixing things then you might consider reinstalling the package.

I think he ment cp the xorg.conf.orig to xorg.conf to start from a fresh start or at least thats how i took it. However my xorg.conf was pretty much scratch to begin with.
I would also never reinstall the package, i know better than that

However, i do appreciate the help offered Dandel.

I just made the changes to my xorg.conf, im going to try and restart X and see what happens. i'll post back with my results!

Thanks so far.

**agentc0re** · 01-03-2008, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Compxpert

Try: cat /var/log/xorg.0.log | grep "(EE)"

Tell me what that gives you if I'm right I think you also have the PreInitDAL problem.

I wish. I removed the current log and then tried to start X. It didn't recreate the log.

**agentc0re** · 01-03-2008, 09:29 PM

Here is the current xorg.conf. i added a few things, just DRI and stuff at the end.

I tried unplugging one of the monitors and X still will not start. Maybe it has something to do with the fact they are reconnized as PCI-E even though they are AGP? i do know that the chipset is a PCI-E using the Realto chip to convert it to agp (i could be wrong but i think thats how it works) could that be why it says PCI-E too?

Code:

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier     "Simple Layout"
	Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
	InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
	InputDevice    "Keyboard[0]" "CoreKeyboard"
EndSection

Section "Files"
	RgbPath      "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/local/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/OTF/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/CID/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Speedo/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/"
	FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/cyrillic/"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load  "dbe"  	# Double buffer extension
	Load  "type1"
	Load  "freetype"
    	Load  "glx"
	Load  "dri"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
  Identifier   "Modes[0]"
EndSection

Section "Modes"
  Identifier "Modes[1]"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
  Option        "AllowMouseOpenFail" "on"
  Option        "IgnoreABI" "on"
  Option        "AIGLX" "on"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
  Driver       "kbd"
  Identifier   "Keyboard[0]"
  Option       "Protocol" "Standard"
  Option       "XkbLayout" "us"
  Option       "XkbModel" "pc105"
  Option       "XkbRules" "xorg"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier  "Mouse1"
	Driver      "mouse"
	Option	    "Protocol" "PS/2"
	Option	    "Device" "/dev/mouse"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
        UseModes     "Modes[0]"
        Option       "CalcAlgorithm" "XServerPool"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[1]"
	Option	    "DPMS" "true"
        UseModes     "Modes[1]"
        Option       "CalcAlgorithm" "XServerPool"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
	Driver      "vesa"
	BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
  Option "BusType" "AGP"
  Option        "BlockSignalsOnLock" "on"
  Option        "Capabilities" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CapabilitiesEx" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CenterMode" "off"
  Option        "DRI" "true"
  Option        "ForceGenericCPU" "no"
  Option        "HWCursor" "On"
  Option        "KernelModuleParm" "locked-userpages=0"
  Option        "mtrr" "off"
  Option        "no_accel" "no"
  Option        "no_dri" "no"
  Option        "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
  Option        "PseudoColorVisuals" "off"
  Option        "RenderAccel" "true"
  Option        "ScreenOverlap" "0"
  Option        "Stereo" "off"
  Option        "StereoSyncEnable" "1"
  Option        "UseFastTLS" "0"
  Option        "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
  Option        "VideoOverlay" "on"
  Option        "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[1]"
	Driver      "vesa"
	BusID       "PCI:1:0:1"
	Screen      1
  Option "BusType" "AGP"
  Option        "BlockSignalsOnLock" "on"
  Option        "Capabilities" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CapabilitiesEx" "0x00000000"
  Option        "CenterMode" "off"
  Option        "DRI" "true"
  Option        "ForceGenericCPU" "no"
  Option        "HWCursor" "On"
  Option        "KernelModuleParm" "locked-userpages=0"
  Option        "mtrr" "off"
  Option        "no_accel" "no"
  Option        "no_dri" "no"
  Option        "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
  Option        "PseudoColorVisuals" "off"
  Option        "RenderAccel" "true"
  Option        "ScreenOverlap" "0"
  Option        "Stereo" "off"
  Option        "StereoSyncEnable" "1"
  Option        "UseFastTLS" "0"
  Option        "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
  Option        "VideoOverlay" "on"
  Option        "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
	Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
	Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
	DefaultDepth     24
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes "1680x1050" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection

EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[1]"
	Device     "aticonfig-Device[1]"
	Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[1]"
	DefaultDepth     24
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       8
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       16
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       24
        Modes "1680x1050" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection
    Subsection "Display"
        Depth       32
        Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
    EndSubsection

EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Mode 0666
EndSection

Section "Extensions"
	Option "XVideo" "Enable"
	Option "DAMAGE" "true"
	Option "RENDER" "true"
	Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

**givemesugarr** · 01-04-2008, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by agentc0re

Here is the current xorg.conf. i added a few things, just DRI and stuff at the end.

I tried unplugging one of the monitors and X still will not start. Maybe it has something to do with the fact they are reconnized as PCI-E even though they are AGP? i do know that the chipset is a PCI-E using the Realto chip to convert it to agp (i could be wrong but i think thats how it works) could that be why it says PCI-E too?

what does your Xorg.0.log say?!

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