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    Default GNOME & Mono Made Love At Microsoft Last Week

    Phoronix: GNOME & Mono Made Love At Microsoft Last Week

    The "GNOME and Mono Festival of Love 2012" has now ended in Boston, which was taking place at one of Microsoft's research and development centers...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEzMjM

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    good to see some advancement in the apps.

    and lol nice pic.

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    So now Gnome is infected with Mono?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kivada View Post
    So now Gnome is infected with Mono?
    Not funny

    And

    Gnome has had mono bindings (and entire apps written in mono languages) for years, so in the case you weren't being sarcastic, get over it... it's been around for several years now.

    We should make sure that any work we collaborate with Microsoft on is licensed under a copyleft license (such as GPLv2, or ideally GPLv3) so that they can't take advantage of us. If we can accomplish that much, I'd say that dealing with them is perfectly OK. Let them spend money on the gnome community and they won't be able to "embrace and extend" our software without sharing their source changes, which would just let us make a non-MSFT distribution containing all their improvements but without the bits we don't want.

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    Ah thats the idea.

    MS destroys the Linux desktop by making it so *innovative*, nobody can use it anymore.

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    Indeed. The anti-MS bigots should probably avoid ever using C or C++, since Microsoft hosts meetings for the ISO committee as well. Or JavaScript, or Python, or Ruby, or Bash (yeah, really), all used within Microsoft. Or libraries like SQLite, Lua, zlib, libpng, etc. that have been used in or even funded by Microsoft. Oh, right, fuck, Microsoft contributes code to the Linux kernel now, too. Time to abandon Linux and switch to something which one of Microsoft's 180,000 employees+contractors hasn't taken an interest in, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allquixotic View Post
    Not funny

    And

    Gnome has had mono bindings (and entire apps written in mono languages) for years, so in the case you weren't being sarcastic, get over it... it's been around for several years now.

    We should make sure that any work we collaborate with Microsoft on is licensed under a copyleft license (such as GPLv2, or ideally GPLv3) so that they can't take advantage of us. If we can accomplish that much, I'd say that dealing with them is perfectly OK. Let them spend money on the gnome community and they won't be able to "embrace and extend" our software without sharing their source changes, which would just let us make a non-MSFT distribution containing all their improvements but without the bits we don't want.
    I take it you didn't click the link...

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    Quote Originally Posted by allquixotic View Post
    We should make sure that any work we collaborate with Microsoft on is licensed under a copyleft license (such as GPLv2, or ideally GPLv3) so that they can't take advantage of us. If we can accomplish that much, I'd say that dealing with them is perfectly OK. Let them spend money on the gnome community and they won't be able to "embrace and extend" our software without sharing their source changes, which would just let us make a non-MSFT distribution containing all their improvements but without the bits we don't want.
    That would only help if Microsoft themselves distributed or better yet developed the code in question. They don't - they just provide financial incentives to their collaborators to develop it - so none of the patent licensing clauses of the GPLv3 provide any protection. There's also some nasty patent traps for third-party developers - for instance, one MS patent I've come across covers using .Net delegates and events according to Microsoft's coding guidelines. Gtk# infringes that patent, the only way to work around the infringement would be to change its API and rewrite any code that used it, and since the patent infringement is in third-party code that's not part of the .Net standard none of Microsoft's patent promises cover it. I assume there are many other similar patent traps lying in wait for unwary Linux developers that use .Net.

    If the day of Linux on the Deskop ever arrives, Mono will be a legal trojan horse that gives Microsoft a whole bunch more ways to sue Linux distributors just like they're targetting Android now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by makomk View Post
    That would only help if Microsoft themselves distributed or better yet developed the code in question. They don't - they just provide financial incentives to their collaborators to develop it - so none of the patent licensing clauses of the GPLv3 provide any protection. There's also some nasty patent traps for third-party developers - for instance, one MS patent I've come across covers using .Net delegates and events according to Microsoft's coding guidelines. Gtk# infringes that patent, the only way to work around the infringement would be to change its API and rewrite any code that used it, and since the patent infringement is in third-party code that's not part of the .Net standard none of Microsoft's patent promises cover it. I assume there are many other similar patent traps lying in wait for unwary Linux developers that use .Net.

    If the day of Linux on the Deskop ever arrives, Mono will be a legal trojan horse that gives Microsoft a whole bunch more ways to sue Linux distributors just like they're targetting Android now.
    what?? A patent for delegate and event? delegate is basicly a function pointer and event is already in many language before dotnet. So I do not think it exist... Can you point me to it?

    I think you are talking about C# and not dotnet... anyway the C# is patent-free because it is a standard (http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-334.htm)

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    I always remember why GTK was started....... because of Qt license! And now, GTK is full of Microsofts stuff....... there has to be something wrong with the community.

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