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    Default Video: Wayland's Weston Gains Sliding Support

    Phoronix: Video: Wayland's Weston Gains Sliding Support

    The latest feature for Wayland's Weston reference compositor / shell is a sliding layout effect...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTEzNzQ

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    Wayland/Weston seems stupid.
    Every widget toolkit needs to draw their own window decorators, that is stupid.
    Isn't that the job of the window manager?

    Also, every window manager needs to implement their own Wayland display server?
    Thats code complexity and overhead and duplication of code.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    Wayland/Weston seems stupid.
    Every widget toolkit needs to draw their own window decorators, that is stupid.
    Isn't that the job of the window manager?
    It can work both ways. Kwin will draw its own window decorations.

    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    Also, every window manager needs to implement their own Wayland display server?
    Thats code complexity and overhead and duplication of code.
    I don't think it's more complex than to implement an X window manager.

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    Wow, what a yummy treaty to Michael, the patch sender has even provided a video himself,
    so Michael doesn't have to record anything.

    Aside that though, I'm not sure I've seen Hoegsberg actually greenlighting the patches yet?
    Would be funny if it didn't get merged at all, and people would start complaining due to this article..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancurio View Post
    Wow, what a yummy treaty to Michael, the patch sender has even provided a video himself,
    so Michael doesn't have to record anything.

    Aside that though, I'm not sure I've seen Hoegsberg actually greenlighting the patches yet?
    Would be funny if it didn't get merged at all, and people would start complaining due to this article..
    Nope. It's not even merged into the weston repo yet! I checked the webgit thing.

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    It looks more like something that should be in a specific DE/plugin then directly in Weston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    Wayland/Weston seems stupid.
    Every widget toolkit needs to draw their own window decorators, that is stupid.
    Isn't that the job of the window manager?

    Also, every window manager needs to implement their own Wayland display server?
    Thats code complexity and overhead and duplication of code.
    I think you are stupid. Now what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinN View Post
    I think you are stupid. Now what?
    Then you might be right.
    But am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by uid313 View Post
    Then you might be right.
    But am I wrong?
    You might be right. However, by labeling Kristian's, et al @ Intel's creation as "stupid", I fail to see how it adds value. Your use of the adjective is polarizing and shuts people down, despite the fact that you may indeed have a valid point. That's all - and this has nothing to do with the content of your message or your point, but merely the "tone" of your message.

    Having said that, there was a long ass discussion about this on the Wayland mailing list, I hope you've read it, it may answer your why/why nots. There is always a trade-off between both approaches. And last, if you don't like something, and are registering a complaint, you could also pitch in and fix it. If not that, in the least, be constructive and somewhat polite when aiming criticism at anything....

    Am I wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinN View Post
    You might be right. However, by labeling Kristian's, et al @ Intel's creation as "stupid", I fail to see how it adds value. Your use of the adjective is polarizing and shuts people down, despite the fact that you may indeed have a valid point. That's all - and this has nothing to do with the content of your message or your point, but merely the "tone" of your message.

    Having said that, there was a long ass discussion about this on the Wayland mailing list, I hope you've read it, it may answer your why/why nots. There is always a trade-off between both approaches. And last, if you don't like something, and are registering a complaint, you could also pitch in and fix it. If not that, in the least, be constructive and somewhat polite when aiming criticism at anything....

    Am I wrong?
    You're right.

    Also, I am not sure I am right, I might be wrong. I am not so technical proficient as the talented guys who are working on Wayland.

    I just think they should consider the approach of other modern desktop systems, such as the approaches by Quartz (Mac) or Aero/DWM (Windows) or what they're called.

    Also have in mind X (which I think they do, as many of them are also developers of X).
    Also have in mind rio (windowing system in Plan 9) and maybe give a thought or two about PostScript.

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