So who are these douches that took down the nvnews site?

[Gusar]

asdx, am I correct in interpreting your posts to mean you condone the DDoS-ing? So you wouldn't mind if someone DDoS-ed *your* machine so you wouldn't be able to post juvenile useless crap on forums.

To the topic at hand: Yeah, official forums and a public bugtracker would be cool. But with that come certain expectations, and I don't think Nvidia is up for that kind of commitment. The Linux userbase is simply too small. I'm quite ok with unofficial support and the kind of interaction we had with the Nvidia devs over at nvnews. It was the next best thing short of official support. I really hope Nvidia will continue with that. But like I already said, it'd be better to go somewhere other than nvnews.

[asdx]

asdx, am I correct in interpreting your posts to mean you condone the DDoS-ing? So you wouldn't mind if someone DDoS-ed *your* machine so you wouldn't be able to post juvenile useless crap on forums.

To the topic at hand: Yeah, official forums and a public bugtracker would be cool. But with that come certain expectations, and I don't think Nvidia is up for that kind of commitment. The Linux userbase is simply too small. I'm quite ok with unofficial support and the kind of interaction we had with the Nvidia devs over at nvnews. It was the next best thing short of official support. I really hope Nvidia will continue with that. But like I already said, it'd be better to go somewhere other than nvnews.

Karma is a bitch, all I will say.

Nvidia did more damage to the Linux community than anything.

Fuck you nvidia!

[Gusar]

Wow, you really are a child. Actually no, that's an insult to children.

Nvidia did more damage to the Linux community than anything.

LOL. I could write an actual answer, but I'll just leave it at that - LOL.

[asdx]

Wow, you really are a child. Actually no, that's an insult to children.


LOL. I could write an actual answer, but I'll just leave it at that - LOL.

It's not my problem if you fail to see the damages they've done to Linux and the community.

[johnc]

It's not my problem if you fail to see the damages they've done to Linux and the community.

I ironed an NVIDIA logo into my pillowcase I love them so much.

[1c3d0g]

Not really, I'm back and staying with nVidia with my new desktop unless they manage to forget how to write drivers. I've lived in catalyst hell for the last 3y with ATI and now the GPU is unsupported...

IF ATI is an example of 1st class citizen, I'll happily go with the 2nd class guys, you know the ones whose driver supports back to GF2...
...

Oh, with that I completely agree! Believe me when I say I've had my fair share of driver nightmares (what an understatement) with ATI hardware - even on Window$! I would definitely NOT categorize ATI as a first class citizen on any platform, though they are improving slightly every time on Linux. As much as I don't like NVIDIA with their open source policies (not the entire company, as they make great hardware and drivers for Window$), they're the ones to go to if you need high-end GPU processing done right in severs/workstations (password cracking, anything related to CUDA, BOINC apps etc.). For simple, home/small office use, an Intel GPU will do just fine.

[Gusar]

It's not my problem if you fail to see the damages they've done to Linux and the community.

Enlighten me then. Prove that you're capable of contributing to the forums with something that actually has some substance, prove that you're capable of more than just juvenile cursing. List the ways Nvidia has done damage to Linux and the community.

[asdx]

Enlighten me then. Prove that you're capable of contributing to the forums with something that actually has some substance, prove that you're capable of more than just juvenile cursing. List the ways Nvidia has done damage to Linux and the community.

Do I really have to? Aren't those things obvious by now?

Sigh.

Ok here we go:

1. Nvidia has ignored Linux developers with everything they propse to make things better, Nvidia have said no to many things (Wayland, providing specifications for nouveau, etc).
2. Users still don't have support for Optimus, after how many years? In the last PR email they mentioned Bumblebee, but that's a hack the community has came up as a workaround, and they should be ashamed for even mentioning it.
3. XRandR wasn't supported for years, and they added some support just recently, how many years are we going to have to wait for Wayland support and similar technology?
4. Did I said how hostile they are with developers by refusing to provide specifications for nouveau?

I could keep going but I will stop now. Anyone else would like to add something more to my list?

[johnc]

That's not damage, that's lack of support. But of course lack of support is driven by lack of customers.

I thought you would list ways in which they got in there and tried to suppress Linux adoption or some other actual hostility.

[Gusar]

1- Nvidia has ignored Linux developers with everything they propse to make things better, Nvidia have said no to many things (Wayland, providing specifications for nouveau, etc).

Wayland is not there yet on *anything*, so how can Nvidia not supporting it "damage" Linux?

And how does not providing specs to nouveau devs "damage" Linux? As we've seen with AMD, even specs don't mean Linux suddenly reaches new heights. The open drivers don't even have opengl 3.2, let alone opengl 4 and beyond. Specs from Nvidia won't magically change that.
So if anything, the Nvidia blob has *helped* Linux, by providing top-notch opengl 4 support to those who need it.

2- Users still don't have support for Optimus, after how many years?

Users don't have support for PowerXpress either, as AMD only provides a hack. It's an "official" hack, but it's still a hack. Only with xorg-server-1.13 and dma-buf prime will it be possible to properly support these technologies. So if not supporting Optimus has caused "damage", Linux caused this damage all by itself, for not providing the means to support muxless tech until now.

3- XRandR wasn't supported for years, and they added some support just recently

There was TwinView. And the very few who need to rotate only one display in a multi-monitor setting (the only thing TwinView lacked, compared to xrandr), could use AMD or Intel graphics. So not seeing the "damage" on this point either.

4- Did I said how hostile they are with developers by refusing to provide specifications for nouveau?

See point 1 about specs.

I could go on and on but I will stop now.

Do go on. Because what you have now is very weak. Yes, you've pointed out shortcomings. But I don't see the big "damage" these shortcomings have done.

I thought you would list ways in which they got in there and tried to suppress Linux adoption or some other actual hostility.

This.