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    Quote Originally Posted by RealNC View Post
    And in another thread someone had the nerve to claim that money isn't involved.
    M$:mono? What a surprise. They're pushing so hard, but nobody cares. That's strange. Shouldn't they hire some developers rather than sponsor marketing? Linux community isn't so stupid to buy some marketing $hit.
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    Original article says they're receiving 12 million dollars in funding, and have 150,000 developers using their products, of which 7,500 are paying customers.

    Quote Originally Posted by kraftman View Post
    They're pushing so hard, but nobody cares.
    It's as if your brain is actually incapable of processing external stimuli

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Original article says they're receiving 12 million dollars in funding, and have 150,000 developers using their products, of which 7,500 are paying customers.



    It's as if your brain is actually incapable of processing external stimuli
    Qt has over 450,000 developers

    Its "tier 1" list of supported platforms has more than just "Windows" on it.

    When .NET has "tier 1" support for ANTHING but Windows, then people might get interested.

    How many actual, in use, cross-platform applications are out there for .NET??? Certainly Microsoft is good at writing toy development environments like Access, but their stuff always falls apart like a house of cards when you try to put it out there as a product. The level of support of the runtimes on different platforms will be radically different. Of course it will run fine on Windows but when you have mono problems then well Miguel will start shaking his finger at Linux instead of owning up to supporting the platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantaylor View Post
    Its "tier 1" list of supported platforms has more than just "Windows" on it.

    When .NET has "tier 1" support for ANTHING but Windows, then people might get interested.
    Which doesn't really have much to do with the article in question, which covers investor funding for Xamarin's products - targeting iOS and Android.

    How many actual, in use, cross-platform applications are out there for .NET??? Certainly Microsoft is good at writing toy development environments like Access, but their stuff always falls apart like a house of cards when you try to put it out there as a product.
    What does Access have to do with Mono for Android and Monotouch?

    Or with Mono generally? Or with .NET?

    The level of support of the runtimes on different platforms will be radically different. Of course it will run fine on Windows but when you have mono problems then well Miguel will start shaking his finger at Linux instead of owning up to supporting the platform.
    Again, Xamarin received funding to help them sell their products, Mono for Android and Monotouch.



    See that chart? Mono runs on 85% of devices. .NET runs on 1.3%

    Which is the platform that matters on mobile, Mono or .NET?

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    C# is very practical with all the tools and support it has from both MS and Mono teams. Unfortunately the spec itself has some major flaws (lack of proper meta-programming, and direct memory management).

    This is why I'm so interested in D. Which is completely Open Source and who's spec is convenient, like C#'s, yet it leaves the programmer in control where need be. There are some things about the spec that aren't perfect, but they're mostly minor (like floating types defaulting to Nan :-V).

    for instance, this code fails in C#, but of course it's equivalent works in D:

    Code:
    struct Point<T>
    {
        T x, y;
        
        void add() { 
            x + y; // ERROR: operators can't be used on T *doh*
        }
    }
    The example is trivial, and easy to work around in C#, but it only scratching the surfaces of what's possible with Templates of course, and there is no shortages of possible usages for self-adapting template structures and functions. Just look at the D standard library.

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    Okay, they're "working closely" with Microsoft. That's fine. Where did the money come from? The article doesn't say and I'd kind of like to know.

    Directhex? Anybody?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larian View Post
    Okay, they're "working closely" with Microsoft. That's fine. Where did the money come from? The article doesn't say and I'd kind of like to know.

    Directhex? Anybody?
    Charles River Ventures (Scribd, Twitter)

    Ignition Partners (Heroku, Opscode, Xensource)

    Floodgate (Digg, Kongregate, Twitter)

    The mention of Microsoft in the article is flamebait.
    Last edited by directhex; 07-24-2012 at 05:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    See that chart? Mono runs on 85% of devices. .NET runs on 1.3%
    Lol at Nielsen's misrepresentation, this is what it really looks like if you actually let the segments be represented by their actual percentages:


    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Which is the platform that matters on mobile, Mono or .NET?
    Can I choose neither?

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Charles River Ventures (Scribd, Twitter)

    Ignition Partners (Heroku, Opscode, Xensource)

    Floodgate (Digg, Kongregate, Twitter)

    The mention of Microsoft in the article is flamebait.
    What a GREAT salesman you are!!!

    You tell us that Microsoft is NOT heavily involved in this project???

    It's DOOMED if there is ZERO direct involvement from Microsoft.

    Honestly you tell us developers that we should invest our devlopment efforts into .NET products when Microsoft is not willing to stand behind the runtime?

    I've watched Miguel speak at conferences, I don't think I would trust him to mow my lawn. Putting him out there as the face of .NET is puzzling indeed.

    Note that both java and Qt have robust linux and OSX support from the original vendor.

    But with .NET, non-windows platforms take a back seat because Steve Ballmer gets cooties and throws a chair if there is any BSD or Linux code running in the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    Charles River Ventures (Scribd, Twitter)

    Ignition Partners (Heroku, Opscode, Xensource)

    Floodgate (Digg, Kongregate, Twitter)

    The mention of Microsoft in the article is flamebait.
    Ha. Yah, Michael tries to start one of these troll wars a week.

    What happened was a bunch of private investors just bet $12 million that the people on this board are wrong and MS isn't going to kill off Mono. But hey, let's throw a reference to MS in there and get everyone worked up!

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