Binary Driver Blobs Aren't Yet Ready For Wayland

[asdx]

+1

maybe we should start a ban asdx thread, like people did for Q.

Ban yourself from life idiot, go kill yourself. Douche.

[Gusar]

+1

Banning Qaridarium has made these forums a bit more tolerable but I don't think it should end there. Asdx is probably the wost among the worst at the moment with his trollish, insulting and plain idiotic posts that poison the atmosphere of these forums.

Another +1, this is beyond ridiculous.

[ninez]

Yeah feel free to ban me. What do I have to lose? Talking with some douchebags (appletards among them) and open source hypocrites who do nothing but defend Nvidia and their crappy blob.

Fuck you all.

we've been over this - you have to do something hypocritical in order to be a hypocrite. People who are using the blobs, or use ANY closed-source software by choice are not hypocrits. they would only be hypocritical had they made the claim they were pure FOSS, while using these blobs. Some education might do you some good. seriously. :\

calling me an appletard doesn't bother me, sorry if you thought it would.

no dice, champ!

Ban yourself from life idiot, go kill yourself. Douche.

asdx, that's not very nice :O LOLOLOLOLOL.

sorry if your not used to people calling you on your crap, but if no one is actually going to monitor these forums, maybe a few of us need to put shmuck's like you in their place.

@everyone else - yup, we definitely broke asdx' brain.

[asdx]

we've been over this - you have to do something hypocritical in order to be a hypocrite. People who are using the blobs, or use ANY closed-source software by choice are not hypocrits. they would only be hypocritical had they made the claim they were pure FOSS, while using these blobs. Some education might do you some good. seriously. :\

calling me an appletard doesn't bother me, sorry if you thought it would.

no dice, champ!



asdx, that's not very nice :O LOLOLOLOLOL.

sorry if your not used to people calling you on your crap, but if no one is actually going to monitor these forums, maybe a few of us need to put smuck's like you in their place.

@everyone else - yup, we definitely broke asdx' brain.

I apologize if I've offended you, I think there's no point to keep going with the insults.

Or feel free to insult me, but please don't insult nouveau anymore.

I just don't get why you guys say you love Linux and open source so much but then you call projects like nouveau "garbage".

Fine, use your blob all you want, but please don't insult nouveau anymore.

Or at least if you appreciate open source, take the time to try nouveau from time to time and report issues if you find any. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

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[jvillain]

AMD do release specifications for developers

Really? Because I was over looking on the AMD developer site and all I saw was 3 or 4 docs that were 4 or 5 year old. I would love to give the docs for SI a read. Can you point me to them please?

[ninez]

I apologize if I've offended you, I think there's no point to keep going with the insults.

Or feel free to insult me, but please don't insult nouveau anymore.

I just don't get why you guys say you love Linux and open source so much but then you call projects like nouveau "garbage".

Fine, use your blob all you want, but please don't insult nouveau anymore.
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1st. i don't give a crap about you apology. you are only issuing one because other users (including myself) would love to see you get banned from phoronix forums.

did you even read what i wrote? do you have rocks in your head??? I did NOT say nouveau is garbage, nor was my intention to insult it's developers, it just happens to be reality that nouveau is a very poor quality sub-standard driver (or in my words garbage) compared to the blob. that doesn't mean nouveau IS garbage, it just means when comparing it to the blob, it is. - there is no insult to nouveau there.

Or at least if you appreciate open source, take the time to try nouveau from time to time and report issues if you find any. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

I do periodically test out nouveau, and like i've already told you - when i had the opportunity, i even use RENouveau - which does help Nouveau's development. ...it is you who is not comprehending the facts, and having a hard time being reasonable towards others.

i mean look at this bullshit you pointed in the other thread, when a Nvidia Linux developer posted;

Hello,

We're very sorry for the inconvenience that this is causing. We're currently working on putting up our own UNIX support forums and retrieving the data from the now-disabled NvNews UNIX forums. As you know, we're also currently having forum issues of our own so the timing is a little unfortunate, but we hope to be able to provide a new set of official support forums soon.

In the meantime and until this is resolved, please send your feedback and bug reports to linux-bugs@nvidia.com. I will update this topic as soon as there is news.

Again, sorry for the inconvenience. We really value your participation and I hope to see you on the new forums as soon as they're up.

Thanks,
- Pierre-Loup Griffais
NVIDIA Linux Graphics

Fuck you nvidia.

Either provide specifications to the nouveau developers or GTFO.

Nobody in his right mind wants your piece of shit and broken blob.

you are absolutely brutal, asdx.

and lets not forget your earlier post telling someone to go and die in a fire :\

people like you do a great disservice to the linux community and the larger OSS community.

[brent]

AMD didn't release any noteworthy documentation after an initial dump a few years ago. My requests for documentation weren't really answered either, I only heard lousy excuses by AMD people. This is not how you motivate people to contribute... So, actually, AMD is not much worse than Nvidia in this regard.

What's also strange is that some people have very warped views about the level of support the open drivers provide. People convinced me that Brazos APUs work fine nowadays, and in turn I bought a Brazos machine - only to find out that power management is completely defunct and that 2D performance is very bad.

[asdx]

did you even read what i wrote? do you have rocks in your head??? I did NOT say nouveau is garbage, nor was my intention to insult it's developers, it just happens to be reality that nouveau is a very poor quality sub-standard driver (or in my words garbage) compared to the blob. that doesn't mean nouveau IS garbage, it just means when comparing it to the blob, it is. - there is no insult to nouveau there.

Yes, it is, using the word "garbage" is insulting. Or perhaps I'm just too sensitive.

Please consider choosing another word at least, it wouldn't be offensive if you say at least that "nouveau has inferior 3D performance than the blob" or something similar, which is to be expected anyway from a RE'd driver. I think you realize that nouveau is 100% made from RE'd code/effort and without the support/documentation from nvidia, right?

So please put yourself in the position from those developers who are working very hard day/night to give us an open-source alternative to the blob.

I think the nouveau developers deserve all of our recognition for the amazing work they've already done.

I do periodically test out nouveau, and like i've already told you - when i had the opportunity, i even use RENouveau - which does help Nouveau's development. ...it is you who is not comprehending the facts, and having a hard time being reasonable towards others.

Sorry about that, I guess I've exaggerated a bit, but I get offended when people insult developer's work when they try to move development and progress forward. Which is very healthy for Linux. Sigh.

A few years ago people were complaining that there wasn't much innovation going on Linux, these days we have things like Wayland and people come and say "I hope Wayland DIAF already". WTF?

I mean I have no problem with you (or anyone else) using the blob, but please people, don't insult projects like nouveau and Wayland. They are very good things for Linux.

i mean look at this bullshit you pointed in the other thread, when a Nvidia Linux developer posted;

They deserve it.

you are absolutely brutal, asdx.

and lets not forget your earlier post telling someone to go and die in a fire :\

people like you do a great disservice to the linux community.

I've just repeated what that guy said, they said something like "Wayland should die in a fire already" (Wayland should DIAF).

But I apologize for that, sorry.

Again, I get offended and touchy when somebody insults open source projects.

We should be thanking and supporting the open-source developers instead of being against them and cursing them or their projects.

[entropy]

Really? Because I was over looking on the AMD developer site and all I saw was 3 or 4 docs that were 4 or 5 year old. I would love to give the docs for SI a read. Can you point me to them please?

AFAIK, all available documentation is listed at the bottom of
http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/.

The latest docs seem to be Cayman/NI from November '11.
SI is missing yet.

[johnc]

A few years ago people were complaining that there wasn't much innovation going on Linux, these days we have things like Wayland and people come and say "I hope Wayland DIAF already". WTF?

I mean I have no problem with you (or anyone else) using the blob, but please people, don't insult projects like nouveau and Wayland. They are very good things for Linux.

Getting back on topic... I do wish Wayland would DIAF because I think it's going to be a completely unnecessary upheaval of the Linux graphics system... and for very little, if any, added value over what we have now. And the fact that devs have repeatedly shown to be very apathetic (if not hostile) towards the blobs is a cue that it's going to be doubly-broken for the significant percentage of users (and potential Valve customers) who actually want to use the binary drivers.

I can only imagine the headaches that will be coming from trying to configure a hybrid X / Wayland system.

Unless I'm wrong and everything is smooth-sailing, it's going to be a major stumbling block for further acceptance of Linux on the desktop.