Reply With QuoteYour view is based on a falsehood. Binary blobs helped drive Android to be the #1 smartphone OS in the world.Originally Posted by asdx
By your logic Android should be sniveling around the bottom of the barrel since it's loaded up with blobs.
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Right, I'm so misguided and immature for not supporting your gaming activities and the blob, sigh. Who is the immature now?...and your what 12 years old? :\
I love how you just quoted part of the first bit without actually addressing what i was pointing out - which was entirely true...
i also like how divisive and ignorant you are, it's hilarious
you're such a little puke, asdx - your zealotry, fanaticism, stupidity and immaturity really shine with comments like this. They wonderfully showcase how misguided, unintellectual you are and also how much of a troll you are.
Even Linus Torvalds agrees that the nvidia blob is a piece of absolute shit/trash and that it has to die.
Everyone but you and the other idiot (johnc) agrees that when NOT using the blob and when using the open source drivers (nouveau, intel, radeon), the desktop feels so much better, smooth and responsive.
Blobs need to die, plain and simple. They are the cause of all problems we have.
And it's not zealotry, it's simply pointing out the obvious.
Fuck off now.
P.S. and yes, I do support gaming on Linux and I'm glad Valve is doing something about it, I just don't support the blobs and I hope they die.
Last edited by asdx; 07-25-2012 at 01:28 PM.
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Your view is based on a falsehood. Binary blobs helped drive Android to be the #1 smartphone OS in the world.
By your logic Android should be sniveling around the bottom of the barrel since it's loaded up with blobs.
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I sure hope it solves all X problems related to the old one:
http://linuxfonts.narod.ru/why.linux...p.current.html
Would like to be able to minimize and move window of unresponsive applications easily (while they are unresponsive).
That said.
It would be really practical to get a working replacement for X.Org Server with a STABLE API!!!
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When I see the amd open drivers putting $500+ cards to good use, then I can complain that nvidia needs to open up too. Until then...
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I don't play video games, at all :\ I'm not sure where you got that impression, i've said nothing of the sort. You misguided for not understanding that the OSS drivers can't deliver in many areas, and not seeing that the blobs have their uses and deliver in some markets where the OSS drivers have no hope of doing so, probably for the foreseeable future. furthermore, i don't need your fucking approval or support to determine what i can and can't do on my hardware/system. - Who the fuck do you think you are?!! really? "who is the immature one now"?? - obviously, you are STILL an immature little child, and your comment above doesn't change that - in fact, it supports it :\
Plea to authority? Linus has good reason to not like working with Nvidia- they make development a pain in the ass - which i totally agree with, nvidia needs to take a hard look at how they operate, but when Linus says that it's absolute shit - he is not saying the OSS drivers are of a higher caliber, or that they are performant drivers or even that htey are a good replacement. he is talking about development.
Did i say they didn't - NO, i did not. I discussed pragmatism, and the reality of the situation, which you are so incredibly obtuse - that apparently that went right over your head. (why am i not surprised!) I have yet to see everyone in this forum turn around and agree with everything you say, asdx - in fact, a lot of the time people (in various threads) refer to you as a troll. Furthermore, there are many problems within FOSS, they aren't all caused by blobs, specifically - sorry but no dice.
it IS fanaticism and zealotry. Your not 'pointing out the obvious' - your being childish, divisive, extreme, inflamatory and generally you're just an asshole (just like in every other post you have in these forums).
Last edited by ninez; 07-25-2012 at 01:52 PM.
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I bet Android would have been just as successful if it used Intel open-source graphics.
The problem with blobs is when they get in the way of developers, or when they cause issues for desktop usage (animations slowing down, poor 2D support, etc), etc.
That's why I am against blobs, not entirely for philosophical reasons, but I strongly believe that we'll be much better off by having an entirely better open-source integrated platform. We actually have that now with open-source drivers.
Also, it's obvious by now that blobs don't play very well with Linux on the desktop, and if Nouveau had the 3D-acceleration that the blob has, that's going to be better for everyone.
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Yes half a decade of broken audio and counting.This has the potential to be more disruptive than the transition to PulseAudio, except without the nominal features that PA brought..
I would be very sceptical about extrapolating a poll on this site to the community at large.Phoronix surveys show this. Half AMD users use fglrx.
As for NVidia I seem to remember reading an article by some one high up over there that said NVidia would never support Wayland because it isn't used by BSD, Solaris etc.
As for Wayland it's self. I would put it like this. I would rather have the devs working on getting Wayland out rather than working on propping up the broken blob industry. Until Wayland has some thing usable shipping in a distro very few people are going to care. If you want people to support Wayland you have to get it in front of them and let them see what it can do. After that the question of whether to support the blobs becomes a question of how crippled does Wayland have to become to do that. If they can just put a stub in and leave all the gore in a separate package then it isn't so bad. If it means tripling the amount of code, killing the performance and losing a year of development then that is an entirely different beast. Only the devs can answer how that would look.
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How many Intel phones are being sold?
Is there a lack of software on platforms that use blobs? E.g., Windows, OS X or Android?The problem with blobs is when they get in the way of developers, or when they cause issues for desktop usage (animations slowing down, poor 2D support, etc), etc.
But the facts show that actually the opposite of what you believe is true. The most successful consumer-oriented products are not fully open source.That's why I am against blobs, not entirely for philosophical reasons, but I strongly believe that we'll be much better off by having an entirely better open-source integrated platform. We actually have that now with open-source drivers.
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I'm not trying to convince you to anything, I'm simply trying to point out that nvidia is a PAIN IN THE ASS for developers and everyone, I'm simply trying to point out that we should be more understanding and help the developers instead of being against them and being so selfish with the blob/gaming/whatever. After all, they are the people who are writing the software we all use/love in the first place.
Do whatever you want with your hardware, that's none of my business. I'm not trying to tell you how you should use your hardware, I'm simply trying to point out that we should be more understanding with developers.
What if one day the developers give up with what they are doing because they are tired of the pain that is Nvidia and other corporate people, and they realize nobody gives a shit about what they think/feel of their own project.
Would you like to move back to Windows in that case? Are you going to resume their development efforts?
Please think about it. This is all I'm asking for.
Sure, and you are not helping with their development if you support the blob.
It's not fanaticism and zealotry, I simply understand the developers pain in this case because I'm also a developer (not a Linux kernel developer), and I know what a pain is to have to deal with unsupportive people. As a user, I also prefer the advantages that nouveau has over the blob KMS, Wayland, better integration with the system, etc.
But fine, keep supporting nvidia and their blob until they last. We'll be ignoring blob users and support wayland/nouveau and move Linux development forward.
Last edited by asdx; 07-25-2012 at 02:20 PM.
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Who is "we"? You and those other "NVIDIA MUST DIE" zealots?
Have fun with Wayland. I don't see it going anywhere until it supports the binary blobs in some way. Simply because those customer's who do spend a lot of money on Linux by buying support contracts usually need proper GL or GPU Computing support.
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