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    Default AMD Open-Source S.I. Botched, Hope For The Future

    Phoronix: AMD Open-Source S.I. Botched, Hope For The Future

    We're now going into eight months since the AMD Radeon HD 7000 series "Southern Islands" graphics cards first launched. In that time the Catalyst Linux support has been stable and fine, but the open-source driver support is still unusable...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE0OTY

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    I don't understand why AMD always does their best to look like idiots. This is what makes the difference between them and INTEL or NVIDIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletxt View Post
    I don't understand why AMD always does their best to look like idiots. This is what makes the difference between them and INTEL or NVIDIA.
    Yeah, right. NV is completely ignoring open source GPU support. Non existing drivers avoid news about some missing or lackluster features.
    Great logic you applied there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhewg View Post
    Yeah, right. NV is completely ignoring open source GPU support. Non existing drivers avoid news about some missing or lackluster features.
    Great logic you applied there.
    I did not say "A" is better than "B". I said "A" generally tends to behave in a way that they look idiots and not professional when compared against "B" or "C". Look at it from an economical/business point of view. AMD brand looses points when they do such shit. And do you know how important is brand? Think about it, leave the OSS vs blob fight for the geeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletxt View Post
    I did not say "A" is better than "B". I said "A" generally tends to behave in a way that they look idiots and not professional when compared against "B" or "C". Look at it from an economical/business point of view. AMD brand looses points when they do such shit. And do you know how important is brand? Think about it, leave the OSS vs blob fight for the geeks.
    Eh? Neither did I claim that you said A is better than B. My argument about your logic still stands.
    Because bridgman posts here and admits that things didn't work out as planned makes them idiots? I'd call that honest.

    Since that article is about the open source radeon stack, your "OSS vs blob" statement makes even less sense.

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    It's not that AMD is doing a bad job. It's just that Michael seems to like the pageviews he's getting from negative headlines.

    The OS drivers are not "botched", they're "right on track, but not finished yet". Previous generations had to wait half a year or longer, too. While that delay has been shortened with each successive generation, it's not surprising that the architectural HW changes would cause additional delays this time.

    In fact, AMD has been very clear about this upfront. They said that they started on OSS work earlier, but that the headstart would likely be eaten up by the additional work required. They said so before HD7xxx-hardware could be bought.

    So if any customer is unsatisfied that OSS support is taking this long, it's the customer's fault for expecting a feature earlier than it was promised. AMD has been very honest with that they will do, what they try to do and what they can't do, and all they're getting for it is repeated rants that those "will do"s don't include a pony.

    The worst part is that Michael has to know all this. We know he's reading all of bridgman's posts because he likes to copy/paste them for free articles like this one. Yet he's still continuing to publish articles that label the current state of the OSS drivers as a failure on AMD's part, despite the project being roughly inside the initial estimates.

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    Not many community developers are interested in hacking on Radeon GPU power management code, unfortunately.
    So hire them. If you pay them I'm sure they will have more interest. More easy to saying then doing, but that's the point in the end.

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    These endless SI "stories" from Michael are getting tiresome. The are little more then just restating "SI is unusable" with a a few other negative comments. The drivers are working just fine for display purposes and performance is fine for non-3D tasks. Also, we never gave any explicit time frames for when any specific features would be "finished." Display support was out around launch time for SI so the hw has been "usable" since then. From the beginning we've stated and re-stated that the open source project is designed to support the open source community, not write the entire stack ourselves and that the rate of progress will largely be defined by the amount of community involvement. We've put a lot of effort in to jump start development and get usable code and support out there to help the community. Unfortunately very few developers outside of AMD have done much with SI. At this point it's mostly just AMD developers working on it. Unfortunately our time is shared with other projects that many would consider equally important: improving 2D support (glamor), adding OpenCL support, adding support for new asics, and other projects. I don't see how SI support was "botched." We did exactly what we said we would do. Secondly for things outside of display and 3D (like UVD), we said from the beginning and have repeated on many occasions (included quoted references in the article), that we aren't committing to supporting them at the moment, but we will look into whether we can support them in the future and still meet appropriate contractual obligations. That may mean we can, that may mean we can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoronix View Post
    In that time the Catalyst Linux support has been stable and fine
    I LOL'ed so hard when I read this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealNC View Post
    I LOL'ed so hard when I read this.
    Yeah?

    Quote Originally Posted by phoronix
    In that time the Catalyst Linux support has been stable and fine
    Meanwhile on my Notebook (with 7970M) :

    Quote Originally Posted by fglrx
    No supported adapters detected
    I don't find that funny

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