Wayland's Weston Gets Output Configuration File

[Gusar]

No surprise there that the child will make stupid juvenile posts, and sprinkle them with lots of fucks.

To all the "smart" people in this thread, how is the system supposed to know whether I want cloned displays or an extended desktop? And if the latter, whether the second screen should be to the right or bellow the first one? Unless mind-readers were invented when I wasn't looking, it can't. Hence config file. I don't need an xorg.conf to bring the displays up. But I can optionally use one to tell the system that the second display should be below the first, for example.

And a comment like "I shouldn't need to write a config file" only shows your narrow-mindedness. I might opt to use an xorg.conf. But someone else might opt to do clicky-clicky in the KDE/GNOME/Other control centers to achieve the same.

[asdx]

No surprise there that the child will make stupid juvenile posts, and sprinkle them with lots of fucks.

Shut up, you wouldn't be saying that if you had the same level of experience I have, I bet you're one of those Ubuntu n00bs out there who wasn't around at the time we needed to have a XF86Config or xorg.conf just for X to start.

You're the only child.

I see Wayland/Weston is repeating the same X mistake here, which is a shame.

[Gusar]

Dude, you weren't born when I started with Linux.

I see Wayland/Weston is repeating the same X mistake here, which is a shame.

Did you even read my post? Why am I asking, of course you didn't, you think making lame "bets" instead of actually addressing the arguments is more l33t or something.

BTW, you lose the bet.

[asdx]

No surprise there that the child will make stupid juvenile posts, and sprinkle them with lots of fucks.

To all the "smart" people in this thread, how is the system supposed to know whether I want cloned displays or an extended desktop? And if the latter, whether the second screen should be to the right or bellow the first one? Unless mind-readers were invented when I wasn't looking, it can't. Hence config file. I don't need an xorg.conf to bring the displays up. But I can optionally use one to tell the system that the second display should be below the first, for example.

And a comment like "I shouldn't need to write a config file" only shows your narrow-mindedness. I might opt to use an xorg.conf. But someone else might opt to do clicky-clicky in the KDE/GNOME/Other control centers to achieve the same.

You are being narrow-minded and childish here, you can't think beyond of your "1337" nose.

Let me ask you a question, could you imagine some 85 years old grandmother complaining to her grandson that her Ubuntu system "won't work". She tells her grandson on the phone that she only sees "some weird characters", then her grandson has to travel from one city to another to "fix her computer", her grandson looks into her computer and after a few minutes he finds that a xorg.conf is missing and that it won't start without it, then he has to login as root and run "Xorg -configure" to generate a xorg.conf.new and move that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf for the graphics system to work again? Can you imagine how crappy that situation is? This has happened a lot before. And guess who had to help those noobs out there because their system wouldn't work? Yes, *me* and many other people I bet.

And I'm fucking sick of bullshit like that.

I'm fucking tired when developers would make assumptions that everyone is a 1337 h4x0r, and that everyone knows how to do things with the CLI.

Please ask your grandma to help those n00bs then, because I'm sick of stupid shit like that.

This was the case with X before, fortunately it isn't the case anymore today, but whatever, I wonder why I waste my time trying to explain these things. Everyone here seems to be a "1337 h4x0r".

Dude, you weren't born when I started with Linux.

Did you even read my post? Why am I asking, of course you didn't, you think making lame "bets" instead of actually addressing the arguments is more l33t or something.

BTW, you lose the bet.

Yes I read, you were too fast to insult others again.

But you don't understand, my problem is NOT with configuration files (I'm a programmer and I know my way with things). My problem is when lack of configuration files will make the system impossible to use (i.e. X not being able to start). This was the case with XFree86 before, a missing XF86Config would render the system useless for any person who isn't tech-savvy.

All I ask is that they don't repeat this same mistake.

Use KMS, use EDID, ask the monitor information and use that, but don't make assumptions that everyone knows how to edit a configuration file. Grandmas, grandpas and a few others doesn't.

[Darxus]

Gusar: Just click asdx's username, click "view profile", "add to ignore list", "yes", as I just did.

[ShadowBane]

asdx, do you even read the articles/comments or just troll? You keep raging about stuff not working if config files aren't there in an article about an /optional/ config file that holds values that can't be auto-detected (tell me how the EDID is supposed to supply my monitor layout) instead insisting that some users can't edit it by hand (nobody is seriously expecting them to; probably 90% of configuration files on modern systems are never hand edited and are only used by the program internally)

I don't know what you seek to gain with your rage filled trolling but the only thing you are gaining is a reputation for being an idiot.

[asdx]

Ok so is the configuration file optional?

Will Wayland/Weston "just work" if my screens are already detected by KMS?

Why can't multiples monitors "just work" also when connected. Say I plug a new monitor, can't Wayland/Weston configure itself and just clone/enlarge the screen in that case?

Why do we need a INI file for that?

[asdx]

asdx, do you even read the articles/comments or just troll? You keep raging about stuff not working if config files aren't there in an article about an /optional/ config file that holds values that can't be auto-detected (tell me how the EDID is supposed to supply my monitor layout) instead insisting that some users can't edit it by hand (nobody is seriously expecting them to; probably 90% of configuration files on modern systems are never hand edited and are only used by the program internally)

I don't know what you seek to gain with your rage filled trolling but the only thing you are gaining is a reputation for being an idiot.

Yes I read the comments, and I have perfectly valid point here, if you don't like it, then that's your problem. But I think the people who comment here are actually the trolls, not me.

Most people here don't like what I say because I provide examples where Linux actually sucks and how the developers make bad choices, but they choose to bash me instead and call me names, but those people are actually the ones who are ignorant and are too hurt to face the facts I've already provided. It's easier to label me as troll and call me names than to accept user's feedback no? I hear you.

You guys are pathetic, plain and simple.

Instead of admitting that something sucks you just go and call other people names. Fine.

Linux will never get anywhere on the desktop because the people who are defending it are actually hurting it by not admitting that having to edit a config file by hand is not ideal for setting up a display system.

[ShadowBane]

I think you guys are actually trolling.

*facepalm*

[asdx]

*facepalm*

Whatever. Keep defending your INI-style configuration for Wayland, I'm sure it'll get far on the desktop.