Wayland's Weston Gets Output Configuration File

[asdx]

but they are developers, not you, they HEAR your screaming about your problems. but they know better what to do.

Right.

this file is optional, for tweekings. but you know better

Fine with me, I'm not saying I know better, I've just tried to give my opinion. I'm not against INI-files or the Unix philosophy, in fact, I love it, I simply wasn't sure if this configuration was required like in XFree86 where XF86Config was absolutely necessary, or if it was optional. Sorry, I got it, it's optional, that's great.

other forum users, already explained you, but you seed FUD more and more, dont even know why.

Sorry, I stop now. It wasn't my intention to spread FUD.

so.... use more offensive language. we like it! you are so adult now.

No need, sorry.

[kazetsukai]

You guys are pathetic, plain and simple.

Can you answer this question from the OS' point of view?

I have 3 video cards and 6 screens. Since that is all the OS knows, please determine the primary screen as well as correct rotation, orientation, and position of each screen to prove that we can have the OS do this auto-magically.

Too hard? How about this one?

I have one video card and 2 screens. Where do you put the second screen in relation to the primary, and at what rotation?

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you: INI is NOT THE SOLUTION to this problem. Something computer parse-able, like XML (written as human friendly as possible) is. Next step is to improve Weston to be able to write this file, and provide some kind of GUI configuration application for Weston. Config files = a plus. Those config files being written by humans (during normal use cases) instead of the application that reads them = fail.

[asdx]

Can you answer this question from the OS' point of view?

I have 3 video cards and 6 screens. Since that is all the OS knows, please determine the primary screen as well as correct rotation, orientation, and position of each screen to prove that we can have the OS do this auto-magically.

Why there has to be a "primary" screen? Why not have the OS see it as VGA0 (2 displays attached), VGA1 (2 displays attached), VGA2 (2 displays attached) and so on. Have KMS detect those cards/displays at boot (the same way it works now), have the OS number the displays the same way tmux numbers the panes, also provide the ability to rename them, and then let the user re-arrange/move his panels/applications across the displays (from the DE).

Too hard? How about this one?

I have one video card and 2 screens. Where do you put the second screen in relation to the primary, and at what rotation?

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you: INI is NOT THE SOLUTION to this problem. Something computer parse-able, like XML (written as human friendly as possible) is. Next step is to improve Weston to be able to write this file, and provide some kind of GUI configuration application for Weston. Config files = a plus. Those config files being written by humans (during normal use cases) instead of the application that reads them = fail.

Agreed.

[kazetsukai]

Why there has to be a "primary screen"?

Where are you going to put your login prompt? Where is the cursor going to be placed initially on a six screen setup?

Why not just have the OS see it as VGA0 (2 displays attached), VGA1 (2 displays attached), VGA2 (2 displays attached).

The question was: Where in relation to all of the other displays, do you place VGA0[.0/.1] VGA1[.0/.1] VGA2[.0/.1]?

Have KMS "detect" those cards/monitors at boot time (when driver is loaded at boot)

Which is all of the information I gave you (6 screens on two cards).

set modes/resolution by default/on-the-fly (automatically), and then re-arrange your panels/DE in any way you want (once you are on the DE, and from the DE).

Okay, so how is it more friendly to me as a user to move my mouse from whatever was determined to be primary display (even if it was miraculously correct) to whatever other display in a yet-to-be-arranged-in-software chaotic labyrinth of mess, than it is to explicitly state this in a file? This still isn't a great solution.

Some of us actually remember the headaches we've had from using OSes that didn't at least give us the option of simply editing a file instead of having to use their convoluted and ineffective GUIs to manage our systems. It doesn't make anyone here "pathetic" to cringe at the idea of such an important function only having GUI based control buried 5 layers deep in context menus...

[asdx]

Where are you going to put your login prompt? Where is the cursor going to be placed initially on a six screen setup?

Why not just put the login screen in the first monitor (VGA0[0]) or clone the login in all displays?

Wouldn't that work?

[ChrisXY]

Where are you going to put your login prompt?

One duplicate on every single screen. PLEASE...

[asdx]

One duplicate on every single screen. PLEASE...

Yes that's probably more comfortable/convenient and nicer.

[mark45]

I don't fucking care if KMS remembers the resolution or not after restart, I don't want to be editing a config file like a fucking idiot for setting something basic as my screen resolution.

We're not in 1970 anymore.

The resolution is the job for KMS to handle, not the user. Period.

What the fuck is this.

Wow, we got an angry idiot here who just doesn't get it and writes angry demagogy.

[asdx]

Wow, we got an angry idiot here who just doesn't get it and writes angry demagogy.

I apologize for this misunderstanding, and I agree that I shouldn't have acted in such a childish way. However, if you take a look at the other comments, I have provided useful feedback also.

Again, sorry for the inconvenience and misunderstanding.

My apology goes to the Phoronix community however, I would never apologize to an idiot like you who brings nothing to the conversation and simply insult people.

[mark45]

I apologize for this misunderstanding, and I agree that I shouldn't have acted in such a childish way. However, if you take a look at the other comments, I have provided useful feedback also.

Again, sorry for the inconvenience and misunderstanding.

My apology goes to the Phoronix community however, I would never apologize to an idiot like you who brings nothing to the conversation and simply insult people.

Says the one who acted like an angry child and likes to say fuck a lot. That's wise.