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    Default Debian Now Defaults To Xfce Desktop

    Phoronix: Debian Now Defaults To Xfce Desktop

    In a commit made for Debian's forthcoming 7.0 Wheezy release, Xfce is now the default desktop choice...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTE1NTk

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    Oh boy.... this should be interesting. Unless no one cares anymore.

    Anyway,

    If you want all of the Debian Wheezy install archive though, it will take 73 CDs or 11 DVDs...
    ...or 34300 floppy disks, let's not forget. I think that a 1GB ISO makes sense because it fits nicely in a 1GB USB Flash disk

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    I'm in it for XFCE replacing Gnome, but, seriously... who the hell does still use CD's? Do they still sell them..?

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    Does anyone seriously give a shit about CDs anymore? Honestly, I bought a 100 spindle of CDs about 4 years ago simply because they were dirt cheap, and they're not even 1/4 used. I've had practically no personal use for them beyond silly distros who wont move on with the times. I just want an image I can dd to USB sticks and not have to faff about.

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    CDs are still really handy for sending large amounts of data to someone where you don't expect to get the medium back - its generally faster than uploading/downloading and you don't have to worry about losing a flash drive. They're also extremely handy for repairing computers. I personally use CDs a lot, however I bought a cake box of 100 maybe 6 years ago and I've still got maybe 20 or so to spare; I kept maybe only 15 of them total to myself.

    As for those who don't like the distros that don't move on from CDs, haven't you heard of unetbootin?

    I don't think anybody in their right mind would go beyond 6 discs to install an OS. I feel like there should only be 1 or 2 CDs involved with getting a debian setup prepared but DVDs are required for the rest of the OS (if you do offline installs). They ought to make dual layer DVD ISOs too. A blu ray ISO would also be nice.

    Anyways, while I'm not a fan of XFCE, I think it's a good choice for a default. XFCE isn't heavy, but it isn't so lightweight that it's missing core features. It doesn't have a lot of customization, but it isn't restricting either. It isn't flashy, but it doesn't look vintage. While it is largely GTK based, it doesn't seem to have too many dependencies compared to GNOME or KDE. I'd say XFCE is pretty balanced and makes a good default for a distro that doesn't endorse a particular DE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtbag View Post
    Anyways, while I'm not a fan of XFCE, I think it's a good choice for a default. XFCE isn't heavy, but it isn't so lightweight that it's missing core features. It doesn't have a lot of customization, but it isn't restricting either. It isn't flashy, but it doesn't look vintage. While it is largely GTK based, it doesn't seem to have too many dependencies compared to GNOME or KDE. I'd say XFCE is pretty balanced and makes a good default for a distro that doesn't endorse a particular DE.
    I debate the customization point - it has the best settings environment I have ever used. I can change virtually everything on my desktop and yet do not get bogged down like I did when I tried KDE. Xfce of course has other issues but I think it is very good when it comes to customization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    I debate the customization point - it has the best settings environment I have ever used. I can change virtually everything on my desktop and yet do not get bogged down like I did when I tried KDE. Xfce of course has other issues but I think it is very good when it comes to customization.
    XFCE seems to be the best option for server OS. I wonder if Red Hat will do the same.

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    Default Makes sense. For users, gnome2 to xfce is natural, gnome2 to gnome3 a disaster.

    Think of it. You are a regular user, say at the workplace, used to work with gnome2. You don't care about the desktop much, you just come and sit to work with a web browser and office suit (openoffice). Wheezy becomes stable and IT upgrades all machines from squeeze.

    Which choice hurts users more when they go to work next day? Gnome3 or XFCE? Fitting the CD might be compelling enough, but there is a strong usability reason to switch from gnome2 to xfce.

    Gnome developers (the few that remain) have already said they are not catering to the needs of former gnome2 users. For them, Gnome3 has nothing to do with gnome2 and are not targeting their former users (as silly as that sounds). It would have made much more sense to rename the project entirely to avoid confusion.

    Thus, ignoring gnome3 idiocy, what is left for the IT deployer? You need to switch to the closest thing, that would be either xfce, mate or, baring the performance of running components from gnome3, cinnamon/nemo/mdm & friends.

    For a distro which doesn't want to alienate its user base (unlike the remaining gnome devs), this was the logical choice.


    This is one beauty of the free/open source ecosystem. When a core dev makes an absurd choice, the project forks and/or people switch to alternatives. Remember Xfree86? Or even libreoffice vs openoffice?. Distros are collection of packages for the convenience of users, that is why they switch default packages from time to time.

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    Worried about fitting it onto ONE CD???
    I don't even know where to buy CDR's any more. They're right totally obsolete.

    DVD. Its bigger, and you can still buy them.

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    How i wish there were some other, less opiniated, news site covering what phoronix covers. I'm only a few gnome bashing posts from unsubscribing.

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