Talk Of NVIDIA Looking At Wayland Support

[asdx]

Please, try to think before you speak.

I do think before I speak, that's why I speak, and I still maintain my previous statements.

ATI/AMD has been providing specs for years and the open driver still sucks.

How does the radeon driver sucks exactly? At least they don't break on suspend/resume or in every new Xorg/kernel release like they do break on the blob. Radeon is also open source so developers can add things like Wayland support very quickly; in fact, Radeon and the other DRI/KMS drivers already supports Wayland since day 1.

Binary drivers will always be behind because with binary drivers then users have to wait for corporations (that don't care about Linux) to add support to everything the community comes up with, and that obviously won't always work, since it's not in the best interest of a corporation to support the Linux community.

To me, Fglrx and Nvidia are the drivers that suck, and I think the Linux community will be better off improving the free drivers than using the half-assed blobs that some corporations come up with.

Do you really want nvidia's blob to go away tomorrow?

Yes.

Try to put yourself in their shoes: they have a binary core that can be made to work on Linux, Windows, Solaris and BSD. Why treat Linux differently? Does that make business sense?

I'm not going to put myself in the shoes of a corporation that doesn't care about Linux. Also, laziness is not an excuse for doing the half-assed job they do with Linux.

[bug77]

How does the radeon driver sucks exactly? At least they don't break on suspend/resume or in every new Xorg/kernel release like they do break on the blob. Radeon is also open source so developers can add things like Wayland support very quickly; in fact, Radeon and the other DRI/KMS drivers already supports Wayland since day 1.

Binary drivers will always be behind because with binary drivers then users have to wait for corporations (that don't care about Linux) to add support to everything the community comes up with, and that obviously won't always work, since it's not in the best interest of a corporation to support the Linux community.

I think you got a little confused there. ATI went open source because their Linux drivers sucked for years. Compared to that, the open driver may be a bit better, but I doubt it supports OpenGL4 or power management - after what? 3 years in development?
Nvidia on the other hand has a pretty good blob. If they released specs together with ATI and nouveau would on the same level with the AMD driver, nvidia's blob would still run circles around it. Sure it doesn't do KMS, but is that preventing you from using the video card? It doesn't do Optimus either, that could be a bummer for some. Still it's one useful feature missing.

I'm not going to put myself in the shoes of a corporation that doesn't care about Linux.

Then why do you keep asking them to listen to you?
If they don't do what you think they should, it doesn't mean they don't care about Linux. They wouldn't have the best blob for Linux or have the professional market cornered if they didn't care.

[Ancurio]

Let's see when Wayland is ready, because right now it's mostly unusable and lacking crucial features even on Intel drivers.

Could you please state an example of how Wayland, the protocol which specifies how a client should talk to a compositor and vice versa,
is "lacking crucial features"?
Are you possibly talking about the lack of relative pointer events?

[kazetsukai]

To me, Fglrx and Nvidia are the drivers that suck, and I think the Linux community will be better off improving the free drivers than using the half-assed blobs that some corporations come up with.

You're delusional. The NVIDIA blob is -the- best driver on the block. Noone even bothers to argue otherwise because of the gap in quality and stability it has over every other driver in Linux land.

Intel is probably the most solid open driver, but it lacks in features and performance. Admittedly, this is due mostly to lack of comparably powerful hardware- even the latest Intel chips get spanked by a GTX/GTS 8800 (a 6 year old NVIDIA chip- in fact the oldest one with fully programmable, unified shaders).

NVIDIA is pretty critical to the success of Linux as a gaming platform, they just need to wake up and realize how much power (and thus responsibility) they're holding.

[gamerk2]

Please, try to think before you speak. ATI/AMD has been providing specs for years and the open driver still sucks. Do you really want nvidia's blob to go away tomorrow?
Try to put yourself in their shoes: they have a binary core that can be made to work on Linux, Windows, Solaris and BSD. Why treat Linux differently? Does that make business sense?

Nope. And thats the point here. NVIDIA, or any other developer, isn't going to give Linux special treatment. There seems to be the assumption that every single interface should be supported by every single dev out there, and a lot of whining and complaining when that doesn't happen.

NVIDIA has a driver base that works across multiple OS architectures. They aren't going to treat Linux special.

[tux9656]

Why does everyone always have to complain about the Nvidia driver not being open source? Nowhere on the box that your card came in did it say, "Includes free open-source Linux driver." If you aren't happy with Nouveau or Nvidia's blob, then maybe you should consider using a different graphics card.

[Thaodan]

Why does everyone always have to complain about the Nvidia driver not being open source? Nowhere on the box that your card came in did it say, "Includes free open-source Linux driver." If you aren't happy with Nouveau or Nvidia's blob, then maybe you should consider using a different graphics card.

Cause they are better, driver are thing where I agree fully with the opinion from Richard Stallman about free software.