AMD Catalyst Will Not Support Wayland Anytime Soon

[droidhacker]

There might be some users who are willing to put up with this crap and some who have to.

WHAT crap?

Still the OSS drivers are in no way a real alternative to the binary blobs.

You got that backwards. The blobs are NO REAL ALTERNATIVE to the vastly superior open source drivers.

Only evangelists are torturing themselves with these drivers.

You're, of course, referring to the blobs.... because the open source drivers actually work.

Normal people just use what works best.

Which is what works and comes pre-installed with their favorite distro --> open source.

Why should I watch the [blob] driver drain all my battery if I have a better alternative?

You tell me....

Why should I deal with missing features if a better alternative is just an "apt-get install" away.

Again, you're obviously referring to the blob drivers, because the open source drivers have more useful features. And no, you don't have to manually install them, they install automatically.

By that time those drivers will hopefully work.

The blob driver will never work. In fact, it will just keep getting worse.

Otherwise just buy new stuff. No one cares about 10 year old hardware.

Whose hardware is 10 years old? AKAIK, the blob driver has dropped support for 10 year old hardware, so your concerns are pointless. That certainly isn't a point supporting your position.

[pingufunkybeat]

There might be some users who are willing to put up with this crap and some who have to. Still the OSS drivers are in no way a real alternative to the binary blobs. Only evangelists are torturing themselves with these drivers. Normal people just use what works best.

For 2d, stability, ease of use, xrandr support and everyday work, they are better than the blob, in my experience. Why you're torturing yourself with Catalyst, that's a different question.

People who depend on highest performance and OpenCL have to use blob at the moment, but for 99% of what a normal working person does every day, open drivers are amazing, and the gap is closing all the time.

Why should I watch the driver drain all my battery if I have a better alternative?

Switch to a lower power mode when you're not gaming. There, it's that easy.

Anyway, trollish troll is trollish. I've played (and finished where applicable) the following games with acceptable performance, on a lowest-level budget r700 card:

Doom3
Quake4
Prey
Amnesia
Penumbra Trilogy
Nexuiz
Trine
Shadowgrounds & Survivor
RTCW
World of Goo
Osmos
Steel Storm
Gish
Aquaria
OpenArena

Who is getting money to lie on the internet, I wonder? Bad boy! It's practically useless for you because you're a spoiled brat, that's what.

[bug77]

Oh good, fanatics are home.

[GreatEmerald]

Oh good, fanatics are home.

Indeed. Both are good, because that allows for more choice.

[ChrisXY]

Switch to a lower power mode when you're not gaming. There, it's that easy.

Doesn't work on some cards.

Doesn't work well enough on some cards. On my notebook I am lucky and the HD 6550M only uses a little bit more power on the low profile than with fglrx. Others are not so lucky.

[pingufunkybeat]

Oh good, fanatics are home.

I give you 2/10 for trolling quality. You need to be more subtle and avoid claims which are clearly false, then you'll be more effective!

[pingufunkybeat]

Doesn't work on some cards.

Doesn't work well enough on some cards. On my notebook I am lucky and the HD 6550M only uses a little bit more power on the low profile than with fglrx. Others are not so lucky.

Yeah, there are some bugs with some cards, but he claimed that open drivers as a whole had no Powersaving at all whatsoever.

But welcome to phoronix: if you point out facts -- like list games which work perfectly with open drivers -- you are accused of being a fanatic. Just using your computer will send the anti-GPL, anti-OSS crowd into rage. They can't just shut up and use their blobs, they have to destroy all free software before they are happy.

They should just use their blobs and shut up instead of spreading FUD.

[bug77]

I give you 2/10 for trolling quality. You need to be more subtle and avoid claims which are clearly false, then you'll be more effective!

What's so false about open source drivers still playing catch up with proper drivers?
All I'm saying is the binary drivers give you most features and atm open drivers are wannabes (intel excluded). Fanatics keep telling me blobs should die a fiery death or something. Fanatics always think the world is just an obstacle in the path to their happiness, you know.

[pingufunkybeat]

What's so false about open source drivers still playing catch up with proper drivers?

First of all, they are "proper" drivers.

And there's nothing false about them catching up with the blobs (intel excluded), but you actually stated that "we'll get 2D acceleration, some OpenGL support and basic power saving that will sometimes work on 6 years old card by 2020.", and that's trollish nonsense. I have all these things right now. In fact, I had them years ago.

If you're happy with the blob, use it, but do leave us the option of using an open driver, and stop pissing at the work of Mesa and kernel coders.

[bug77]

First of all, they are "proper" drivers.

And there's nothing false about them catching up with the blobs (intel excluded), but you actually stated that "we'll get 2D acceleration, some OpenGL support and basic power saving that will sometimes work on 6 years old card by 2020.", and that's trollish nonsense. I have all these things right now. In fact, I had them years ago.

If you're happy with the blob, use it, but do leave us the option of using an open driver, and stop pissing at the work of Mesa and kernel coders.

Really? You have OpenGL 4 support and power management that works for all cards? In this case, I stand corrected.