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    Default Can Linux Succeed As A First-Rate Gaming Platform?

    Phoronix: Can Linux Succeed As A First-Rate Gaming Platform?

    There's been a discussion that organically started within the forums concerning whether Linux is a "very weak system for gaming", with a variety of reasons being expressed by a number of different Linux users. There's now more than 100 comments on the topic, but do you think Linux can succeed as a first-rate gaming platform?..

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    The original poster's view is that for his system(s) he sees about 50% better performance with Windows 7 over Lubuntu (the LXDE Ubuntu) and that he sees errors/warnings/crashes when trying to install or run a Linux game
    EOT

    PS I've seen the Loch Ness monster.

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    Of course, as soon as Linux becomes a viable software platform for developers.

    Right now Linux has some major problems to solve.

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    PC gaming service Rock Paper Shotgun tried to answer a similar question - http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012...ames-on-linux/. The outcome was positive.

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    Can Linux Succeed As A First-Rate Gaming Platform? Yes. The only pieces of the puzzle that remain are the graphics drivers and the games. Sony has already demonstrated that Darwin can be used as a gaming platform, even when encumbered by finicky hardware and a closed ecosystem.

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    With the success of Android gaming, and Mesa going for good OpenGL ES support along with Steam availability, it is relatively evident "classic" Linux will see decent ports and an acceptable marketplace for them. On the (open) hardware front, there seems to be little hope beyond Intel graphics though.

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    Michael, since you already have the massive amount of benchmark data on lots of systems
    could you put together some charts showing what is the best kernel/(ati, nvidia)driver/wine(?) version for games(like xon for example)
    for some average rig ofc, not the latest and greatest
    im sure you know from experience what matters for those tests

    cheers

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    Is Linux a good gaming platform? Hell no, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Can it be? Well, if Android can do it then why not Linux?

    Android is Linux, except with much better support and standards. It is a gaming platform. It wasn't always, and started off with a rocky road. Funny enough, you can look at custom Android roms as linux distros in a way, and they do just fine.

    So what's the problem?

    #1 Graphic drivers in general are just terrible.
    #2 Better hardware support and a easier way to setup that hardware.
    #3 Lack of standards between distros.
    #4 Needs to be backwards compatible with older games, and why Wine is so important.
    #5 Lack of stability in general. I like how I installed Mint 13 and came with broken repositories, but fixed if you install updates.

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    Yeah you really have to define what's meant by "gaming platform". If you mean Android then of course the answer is yes. If you mean a console of sorts where a big name like Valve is driving it, then certainly.

    But if you're talking about desktop Linux, then just stop, put down the crack pipe and face reality. There are *no* usable, good desktop environments even out there, so why would anyone move to desktop Linux, even if there are games? You would need to get a big name out there (Google?) to come up with a DE that isn't a huge steaming pile of shit before you can even make it an attractive proposition.

    JMO of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukemx View Post
    Is Linux a good gaming platform? Hell no, and anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional. Can it be? Well, if Android can do it then why not Linux?
    You are confusing "Linux" with "Ubuntu/Fedora/Mint/Distributions", just as many people confuse "Darwin" with "MacOSX".

    Re: Graphics drivers: The mesa portions of Intel seem to be coming along well and should serve as the reference implementation which the Radeon and Nouveau DRM/Mesa drivers can leverage to improve themselves. Radeon seems to have a lot of momentum at the moment. For a gaming platform, it is also important that output to a LFD (television) work reliably, which includes things like Over/Underscan, LPCM via HDMI, Bitstreaming over HDMI, etc.

    Re: Better hardware support/setup: You need to elaborate on this a bit. Since you've covered GPUs already, I have to assume that you're talking about gaming peripherals. In a perfect world, what are your expectations? I assume it is something like, "Plug in 4 DPad controllers and everything is ready to go". How do the current implementations (kernel/HID/UDEV/SDL) differ from your expectations?

    Re: Lack of standards between Distros: I'm not convinced that this matters, as I do not envision any current desktop/mobile distro being the technology that drives mass acceptance of gaming on linux. Even if I'm wrong, how does the kernel/DRM/mesa/X11/SDL stack differ between FC and Ubuntu?

    Re: Backwards compatibility: I assure you that this is less important than making forward progress. We need to make the ecosystem more enticing to developers. Publishers could care less if all of their old releases ran on Linux, as there's no money in it for them. Publishers would care a bit more if they knew that anyone with a PC was now a click away from being a potential customer.

    Re: Stability - and the Mint example: Again I believe that this is where our views diverge. The current crop of desktop distributions are complex multi-function beasts. Anyone running Gentoo that has attempted to reach feature-parity with Ubu/FC can attest to this. I'm more interested in 'Linux'. Kernel/DRM/MESA/X11/SDL/OPENAL coupled with an XBMC-esque interface. Simplify, standardize, and give attention to the components that really matter for gaming, and stop trying to shoe-horn another unusable tool on to a swiss-army-knife.


    Look at what Sony did with Darwin on the PS3. Imagine if the Darwin kernel were replaced with the linux kernel. Imagine that the PS3 is an x86 PC instead of a CellBE. All Ubuntu would have to do is host a VM/Hypervisor with PCI-passthrough to the GPU and it's endgame.

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