How does writing Banshee in C# give money to Microsoft?Using an api controlled by microsoft gives more money/control opportunity for microsoft and the abuse of patents.
Yet again you try to argue authority when you haven't a clue what you're talking about.The sims ? Work on windows only.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.I don t see real development to compete against microsoft .net.
Wrong again. Android and iOS are proprietary, largely as a result of the licensing requirements for static linking of LGPL2 code being distasteful to end users (and not an option on anti-GPL Apple app store). Mac is not remotely proprietary - the main Mono repo at github.com/mono/mono has the runtime/classlib, and github.com/mono/monomac has all the GUI bindingsMac ,android are proprietary versions.
Wait, I thought Mono couldn't be an alternative to Microsoft.NET. How can you run .NET on non-Microsoft-supported platforms if Mono isn't an alternative to .NET?And it helps to promote .net on non supported microsoft platforms..
As for promotion? Yeah. It says "hey, you could share most of your code across Linux, Mac, Windows, Windows Phone, iOS, and Android, if you use C# and use Mono" - it's promoting Mono as a way to make C# more attractive to people who don't want to be locked in to Microsoft platforms. But in lapisland, Microsoft lock in is great and should be celebrated.
Except for mobile. Good job nobody uses smartphones anymore, right?and cross platform.
Mono for ios and android are proprietary.Xamarin sells theses packages.Microsoft helps funding xamarin.
Mono is not an alternative to MS .NET.Mono only promotes .net on non supported microsoft platforms
Calling people conspiracy theorist,hater does not justify because people give arguments even if you don t understand these arguments.
Other toolkits have good portability.There s no need to write apps using only mono or "recomend" 10000 times to linux user write new software using mono.Open source software is very portable these days.Portability is one of requirements of good software .It's not the only one.
And stop troll attacks.
And yes, i Know python is not a "formal"standard ,but it's better than some "formal" standards .
im saying that even thou it is open source that dosent mean they cant sue for patents and then the part in question would have to be reimplemented in another way
what is not a huge problem unless the patent covers a call, then the app written with that call would get the short end
on the other hand i didnt know about sony being in that, also sony has the money to pay off microsoft in order to use its products
thing about big companies is they are calculated and above all without morals, so dont get into bed with a big company unless you got a condom
from what i read unreal engine has a great SDK and cheap licences for indie devs, unigine also
unreal runs on everything, idk about unigine
im sure theres more companies like that (unity for example)
what would be so evil for a company(even a small one) to write a SDK that uses MIT licenced open source stuff and licences it MIT ?
also im no expert, but making a minecraft like game engine... instancing instancing all the boxes
its not like it has some advanced lighting, or... what does it have at all so special
before i forget, using loooots of memory to represent a instanced world with low res textures....
anything not running while the game is running, who cares whats it programed in
but the game engine written in C# is... affordable i guess, that must be why so many devs you speak of do it
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If you lose, if you will use the very same rant on Android, the talk will be about Java and Android: you help Oracle indirectly when you develop on Android (if you don't use Xamarin). If you are serious about developing you have to buy closed hardware (is any open-hardware Android phone!?), if you don't buy a Nexus, most of the time you use a draconian carrier. Is it better with Windows Phone? Or with iOS? Android will block you between different corporations, either way!
The idea that Microsoft gets tools, is really great, not for Microsoft, but for people that are using those tools. Do you want that developers to not use Microsoft tools? Contribute to MonoDevelop or SharpDevelop project. Really, nothing stops you (excluding your ideology) to do so. And developers, given the opportunity, will use those tools.
Most of Firefox is developed with Visual Studio and with XCode. Do you care that Apple gets licenses and sells hardware if you can use Firefox? Do you care if Google contribute to LLVM's Clang to improve code quality? Do you care if Google use for most of their Java development the paid version of IntelliJ IDEA or Perforce? Or you care about which software they bring to you?
Why would a developer not use the best tool even if is expensive? DevC++ was the IDE I used in university to compile my C++ programs. It was written in proprietary Delphi. So what? If basically one developer could finish the challenge to finish an IDE that people can use, I did not mind that he used Delphi, why should I?
More conspiracy theorist mumbo jumbo.Mono for ios and android are proprietary.Xamarin sells theses packages.Microsoft helps funding xamarin.
Microsoft has never funded Xamarin. Three venture capital firms recently funded Xamarin, and one of those firms has a few ex-Microsoft people on staff. A bunch of ex-Microsoft people are rich, and fund activities which don't help Microsoft. Ever heard of "Gabe Newell"?
You're still utterly incoherent on this point.Mono is not an alternative to MS .NET.Mono only promotes .net on non supported microsoft platforms
I'd ask you to simply say whether Jython and PyPy are alternatives to Python or not, but judging by every single "argument" you've ever engaged with, you won't actually answer a single point I make & will ignore basic queries.
You're a conspiracy theorist because your arguments are based on the idea that there is a secret conspiracy in the background backing up your points. Mono is dangerous because SECRET PATENTS! Mono is dangerous because SECRET DEALS!Calling people conspiracy theorist,hater does not justify because people give arguments even if you don t understand these arguments.
Plenty of toolkits are plenty portable.Other toolkits have good portability.There s no need to write apps using only mono or "recomend" 10000 times to linux user write new software using mono.Open source software is very portable these days.Portability is one of requirements of good software .It's not the only one.
But that still doesn't excuse arrogant assholes saying to third party developers "NO, YOU MAY NOT PROGRAM IN FRAMEWORKS WHICH LACK MY SEAL OF APPROVAL"
Pot calling the kettle black, perhaps?And stop troll attacks.
So you knew Python wasn't a standard but deliberately said it was anyway, in the hope that nobody would notice? Where I'm from, we call that "lying"And yes, i Know python is not a "formal"standard ,but it's better than some "formal" standards .