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Thread: Linux Developers Still Reject NVIDIA Using DMA-BUF

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    Its actually very simple: Some companies like Nvidia, they understand that Linux will dominate shortly, and they have decided to gain full access to all the goods without giving anything back. Thanks but no thanks. if you want all the GPL yours, then open your driver. That doesn't mean to open everything, just the driver and the things untillOGL3.3, then use OGL4-4.3 like closed extensions for the open driver. Those close extensions they will only have graphics extensions (compilers, programs for the synthesizer, FX), and no driver functionality like memory management, that must be open. Also this open (and if you want unified driver), you can use it for all operating systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XorEaxEax View Post
    Linux success is obviously tied to it's great out-of-the-box support for hardware in all forms which is exactly what their no-binary-drivers-in-kernel-space policy has brought.
    Yeah... right.

    Linux success is due to the fact that you can get it for free. Most users could give two shits that its "free as in speech". They only care when it is "free as in beer".

    Most Linux users (many corporations included) couldn't give a damn that it has great OOTB support for hardware. They like not paying for software, and further like not wasting their time contributing anything back to the so-called community which continues to give them stuff for free without them spending one bit of time or money.

    Sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artivision View Post
    Its actually very simple: Some companies like Nvidia, they understand that Linux will dominate shortly
    If I had a dime for every silly Linux fan boi who said a line like this, I would be wealthy beyond my dreams.

    Fortunately, since its not dominating shortly, there will be plenty of time for people to say these lines, and I can work out my deal for dimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidhacker View Post
    And you sir, have lost. You have taken the final recourse of the interwebz troll and are taking on a condescending tone. The reality of the situation is that you have thoroughly dug your hole and failed to provide any valid response to the overwhelming combined intellect you are opposing.
    "overwhelming combined intellect"

    Oh gods...I thought I would die laughing on this one.

    You all just crack me up. I might have to buy another Nvidia GeForce 670 to recover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidhacker View Post
    I can immediately think of at least three solutions that would still offer choice to the users.
    1) Nouveau. It is free to use this feature.
    2) If nvidia wants to offer this functionality in their blob, they are free to implement it themselves in their userspace driver and advertise its availability for other drivers to use. Somehow, I doubt that anybody would be particularly impressed with this option, though. It would likely go unused.
    3) Don't buy nvidia.
    You forgot one.

    4) Use Windows or OSX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boast View Post
    Add this to another list of reasons why Steam on linux is a bad idea. Linux is only for running on servers and the OSS religion.
    Loki Games, id Software, and Linux Game Publishing found that out the hard way.

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    If you knew what a democracy was, and that it is supposed to serve humans, and humans like open-source better, and it stimulates the most intelligent, who in turn are the ones most fit to run a system, to everyones benefit.

    What is the problem?

    Do you particulary like Microsofts own corporate advertising where old versions of microsoft give headache, and the new are a headache pill?

    Have you seen that? So the Microsoft fanbois (and those are truly bois) have to deal with that Microsoft admits their favorite os being shit. But ofcourse the new ones are much better. Well according to the marketing guys atleast. What real people see, are thousands of tweak-apps online. What that means is that no-one is particulary happy with windows, and want to change it.

    With open-source you can pretty much put togheter components to form your own entire OS. Scaling from phone, to 1000 cpus.

    Microsoft is a joke. Why do people abuse themselves like that? That is because they are IGNORANT. High intelligence is above the general population. SO when are people going to stop thinking running after a ball, or boozing or whoring is better than high intelligence? I mean I guess that is why YOU have microsoft. A constant whine of idiocy, since CP/M. That is what MS sells and is still selling. What advanced users, find to be garbage. And the less advanced lack the mind to listen.

    So your rants on windows what is that? Did you think you were going to convince anyone of intelligence? That is again where you fail. You have no clue. It is like playmo-boy criticises austronaut-man of not liking his playmo.

    A bit how gays defend cottaging, to a Buddha I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgonzales View Post
    Yeah... right.

    Linux success is due to the fact that you can get it for free. Most users could give two shits that its "free as in speech". They only care when it is "free as in beer".

    Most Linux users (many corporations included) couldn't give a damn that it has great OOTB support for hardware. They like not paying for software, and further like not wasting their time contributing anything back to the so-called community which continues to give them stuff for free without them spending one bit of time or money.

    Sad but true.
    When we are talking of Linux's success we are obviously not talking about the desktop, atleast not yet. We are talking about servers, embedded, HPC, mobile, clusters, 3d/SFX industry, etc, so basically everything beyond the desktop.

    Not only are companies often paying for Linux support (Red Hat has made it's fortune through this) but they often invest money into further development of Linux so it's seldom a zero-cost option, hence that is hardly Linux main attraction. If it was then they might aswell choose BSD which is also free, however as we see not only is Linux largely the number one choice in the aforementioned sectors, but as mentioned it's also where lots of companies choose to invest in development.

    Linux is the world largest collaborative open source project bar none, with Linus and other key kernel maintainers having the 'problem/priviledge' of sifting through tons of code submitted by companies and individuals who are hoping it will make it into the kernel.

    Obviously the GPL has had a great part in this success, as in practice it means that if company A wants to enhance Linux so that it works better for their needs, everyone else is legally entitled to enjoy the fruits of their labour, of course the benefit for company A is that it will also be able to enjoy the enhancements made to Linux by company B, etc

    If there is no legal 'incitament' for companies to release their enhancements, history shows us that they very seldom will, in particular if there is a competitive advantage to those enhancements. This is not surprising as a company is generally the equivalent of the most selfish and greedy person you can imagine.

    Of course in a perfect world there would be no need for licences at all, not even something as permissive as BSD/MIT, but this is not a perfect world, and companies (and not so seldom individuals) won't play fair unless they have to.

    This is what is 'sad but true'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kgonzales View Post
    Yeah... right.

    Linux success is due to the fact that you can get it for free. Most users could give two shits that its "free as in speech". They only care when it is "free as in beer".

    Most Linux users (many corporations included) couldn't give a damn that it has great OOTB support for hardware. They like not paying for software, and further like not wasting their time contributing anything back to the so-called community which continues to give them stuff for free without them spending one bit of time or money.

    Sad but true.
    You seem to be seriously confused. There are over hundred companies employing linux kernel developers. The major contributors are fulltime developers. It seems to work for them.

    By the way the biggest part of linux kernel is driver code. If I had to guess I'd say over 70 percent. It is nvidia who don't want to play by the rules here. Go and bitch at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidhacker View Post
    It is your own fault for doing that. Either write your own code, or obtain that code under a free license.
    It is your own fault for doing that. F**K YOU then.
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    Not sure how "platform specific code" would prevent it from being opened.... but even if it did, it only applies to those platform-specific PARTS of the code.
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    Then you did a terrible job in reviewing those contracts. Time to shoot yourself in the head.
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    Obviously you never tried to get corporate code or patches GPL'ed or even tried to get any type of closed source company play ball with the OSS world (let alone cooperate with OSS developers).
    When you do, we'll revisit the subject.

    Nice? Are you on crack? They tried to SNEAK IT IN rather than what they SHOULD have done (to be nice), which is to ASK.
    Nothing wrong with ASKING POLITELY, however, even if they did, it should STILL be declined. Closed drivers have no business interacting with open drivers.
    I do agree that their method was impolite.... But they sneaked it in? Using a high profile DRI ML message? You kidding me?

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