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    Default Ubuntu To Consider Ridding GNOME Fallback Code

    Phoronix: Ubuntu To Consider Ridding GNOME Fallback Code

    Later this month in Copenhagen at the developer summit for Ubuntu 13.04, getting rid of the GNOME fallback code is a likely discussion item...

    http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=MTIwNTI

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    Ubuntu and gnome... two systems both known for doing STUPID CRAP.
    DO NOT drop fallback mode, AT LEAST until all GPU's on ALL systems actually are able to run the GL-junk.

    Just because it CAN run on llvmpipe does NOT mean that it SHOULD. llvmpipe is SEVERE and UNWARRANTED overhead on systems that are already barely able to keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidhacker View Post
    DO NOT drop fallback mode, AT LEAST until all GPU's on ALL systems actually are able to run the GL-junk.
    LMAO. It will never happen. Canonical used to cater more to older systems, but they axed Unity2D and they don't even support non-PAE hardware anymore (unless you run L/Xubuntu).

    Just because it CAN run on llvmpipe does NOT mean that it SHOULD. llvmpipe is SEVERE and UNWARRANTED overhead on systems that are already barely able to keep up.
    Canonical has limited resources, and they want to support common code paths. Basically, if you have old junk like a VIA IGP, run a lighter desktop, because Canonical doesn't want to hold Unity back trying to support your niche hardware (especially when upstream Gnome is looking to kill fallback mode too).

    BTW, random CAPS is EXTREMELY ANNOYING. You can make a point WITHOUT CAPITALIZING every other FUCKING WORD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BO$$ View Post
    Didn't I tell you they'll try to fuck us? Gnome fallback was the only usable gnome desktop after the gnome 3 shit. Now they want to take it away from us!!! Unity is shit I don't even consider using it. KDE too bloated and slow. Right now I use xfce but I feel my options are getting artificially reduced. Assholes....Idiots....
    You haven't tested KDE lately , have you ? And I actually mean test it yourself on your own hardware and not just repeat what you heard was the experience of some other guy on the internet. Kde 4.9 has become very stable , mature and surprisingly light. If you try doing the following tweaks : Turns off compositing by default , Reduces the number of Krunner plugins loaded by default , Reduce the amount of effects used in the window decoration , Disables the automatic loading of various system modules such as the free space notifier, Nepomuk services ( or if you try kubuntu install the low fat package ) , you will get less or the same amount of RAM and CPU usage as XFCE while having a more mature DE. Even with no tweaks kde 4.9 ,for me, uses the same resources as GNOME 2. I know everyone is still pissed over the hole KDE 4 fiasco ... but maybe it's time to let go of the anger and move on. Give KDE 4.9 a spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgstoian View Post
    Disables the automatic loading of various system modules such as the free space notifier, Nepomuk services ( or if you try kubuntu install the low fat package ) , you will get less or the same amount of RAM and CPU usage as XFCE while having a more mature DE. Even with no tweaks kde 4.9 ,for me, uses the same resources as GNOME 2. I know everyone is still pissed over the hole KDE 4 fiasco ... but maybe it's time to let go of the anger and move on. Give KDE 4.9 a spin.
    I did try out KDE after admittedly avoiding it for a long time, and was not all that impressed. I am personally not all that fond of it's visual style, a subjective complaint I know, but I was also not that impressed with it's lauded customization. The panel config was bizarre, I have never personally been big on the idea of plasma applets, and the system settings reminded me very much of the ones I already have on Xfce. In fact, I found the customization controls much better handled on Xfce, and the fact I do not need to go about killing settings all over the place is still a big plus in it's favour.

    And while the DE itself does seem to be more stable, the same thing can not be said of it's apps, which is a shame since that is one of KDE's strengths.

    KDE may be nice for people who groove with what they are trying to achieve, but it can really easily rub other people the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    KDE may be nice for people who groove with what they are trying to achieve, but it can really easily rub other people the wrong way.
    As a small aside, that is also very true for Gnome Shell as well. Maybe that is true for all "mature DE"s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish Wilson View Post
    I did try out KDE after admittedly avoiding it for a long time, and was not all that impressed. I am personally not all that fond of it's visual style, a subjective complaint I know, but I was also not that impressed with it's lauded customization.
    Anything in particular that you didn't like about it's visual style? It's rather flexible in being able to change it from it's default looks, particularly when using Qt-Curve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke_Wolf View Post
    Anything in particular that you didn't like about it's visual style? It's rather flexible in being able to change it from it's default looks, particularly when using Qt-Curve.
    I just do not really like the QT look - do not really know why, and I agree that it is a very superficial complaint. For the record, I am not that fond of how Windows 7 looks either, and they look kind of similar.

    I could probably change it to suit my liking, but with Xfce I do not have to as much.

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    I can honestly say boo to this. I've been running Gnome as a DE for as long as as I've used Linux, and I spazzed a bit when Ubuntu 12.04 came along. That is, before I figured out the fallback mode was there.

    I intend to stick to the LTR here as its supposed to be supported for five years, which I assume means I won't be forced to change my entire workflow or learn a new desktop environment. And that's what this is really all about. Taking an Apple-like "here, this is the new, better way to do things and you're going to start doing it now" methodology rubs people the wrong way. There is a reason people want to stick with classic Gnome. And all else notwithstanding, "I prefer GNOME" is all the reason anyone needs.

    Personally, I'd love to be able to install GNOME 2.X as a DE if I could. But somebody somewhere decided that I shouldn't be able to do that anymore. Enter MATE. And Cinnamon. And a few other similar projects, I'm sure.

    So please, don't lock out the way your users like to do their work. Give us what we want, not what you want us to want.

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    I was pissed when Ubuntu dropped Gnome 2 in favor of some half-baked unity desktop.

    They are trying to be imitate apple's desktop from the looks of the window manager.. and it's worse than OSX.

    I understood and hated the gnome developers taking features away. But what Ubuntu did was much worse.
    They go and pull the rug out from under everyone and expect the users to learn this new flaky desktop environment that has less functionality and fewer options than Gnome had.

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