Ubuntu To Consider Ridding GNOME Fallback Code

[Fenrin]

So many Gnome 3 haters complain about Gnome Shell under Gnome 3. Don't they know that it can be easily replaced by a menu via extensions? Such extensions include: Frippery Applications Menu, Axe Menu

Or they are afraid to use it, because it is still labeled as Beta.

[Larian]

So many Gnome 3 haters complain about Gnome Shell under Gnome 3. Don't they know that it can be easily replaced by a menu via extensions? Such extensions include: Frippery Applications Menu, Axe Menu

Or they are afraid to use it, because it is still labeled as Beta.

I can't speak for everybody else, but in my case I've built a nice desktop and customized my workflow in classic GNOME. It's the way that I want to work. But if I want the up-to-date kernel or the latest update for my OS for the compatibility features, I've got to completely abandon the manner in which I want my computer to operate, and search blindly for features, programs, and settings which were moved, obfuscated, or just plain hacked out. It rather feels like being mugged in a way. Fortunately (for now), fallback mode exists which allows one to sidestep the Super Dummy G3 Experience (tm).

Now of course I'm not entitled to getting the GNOME people to do things my way. But I'm not obligated to radically reorganize the way I work because some dev somewhere made an executive decision, either. GNOME 3 is too different from what came before to expect everybody to just fall in love with it at first blush. Especially when it renders a system which once worked to please its user into something which is effectively unusable without extensive retraining.

[DanL]

DO NOT drop fallback mode, AT LEAST until all GPU's on ALL systems actually are able to run the GL-junk.

LMAO. It will never happen. Canonical used to cater more to older systems, but they axed Unity2D and they don't even support non-PAE hardware anymore (unless you run L/Xubuntu).

Just because it CAN run on llvmpipe does NOT mean that it SHOULD. llvmpipe is SEVERE and UNWARRANTED overhead on systems that are already barely able to keep up.

Canonical has limited resources, and they want to support common code paths. Basically, if you have old junk like a VIA IGP, run a lighter desktop, because Canonical doesn't want to hold Unity back trying to support your niche hardware (especially when upstream Gnome is looking to kill fallback mode too).

BTW, random CAPS is EXTREMELY ANNOYING. You can make a point WITHOUT CAPITALIZING every other FUCKING WORD.

[grotgrot]

I can't speak for everybody else ...

I'm quite happy to use Gnome Shell, but I also require something like a taskbar in order to productively manage having many windows open of the same type (eg browsers, terminals, editors), dual (large) screen support and have various things always visible (eg system monitors, notifications of IMs).

The Gnome 2 worked wonderfully well at that. The Gnome 3 fallback mode is passable although the issues that are present are hard to assign blame - it could be Ubuntu at fault (eg see what they did with account managers).

I keep trying to use Gnome Shell and the various panels/taskbars, system monitors etc but they all fail very quickly in the usability department.

[uid313]

I find Unity and gnome-shell to be utterly unusable for me.

I like GNOME Fallback and think it is great.
Please do not remove GNOME Fallback.

Instead continue maintaining it.
Fallback is very user-friendly and nice. It is not confusing like Unity or gnome-shell.

[D0pamine]

mate..

char limit

[uid313]

mate..

char limit

MATE doesn't seem viable.
It will doom you to legacy.
It is just maintaining the old legacy GNOME 2 with bugfixes.

I rather have GNOME 3 with gnome-fallback.

[pingufunkybeat]

As an aside, it's quite shocking to see the fragmentation in the GNOME camp. You have GNOME3, Unity (it's a gnome desktop with a different shell), Mate, Cinnamon, and some people still run the old GNOME2 version. And there is quite a mess in terms of which GTK version is used, with many non-GNOME apps still relying on GTK2.

In KDE, there is only KDE4 and Trinity, and the latter is marginal.

[BO$$]

I think there is almost a natural lifecycle of any product. You start making a product to solve problems of your users / customers. Since you are listening to them and do what they want you eventually start enjoying some success. After a while it gets to your head and start thinking that the reason you got successful was that you are a genius (you forget the part with listening to your users). So you start making 'improvements' without listening to users' requests. And then of course you start not being so successful anymore. If the users tell you that they don't like it you just tell them that this is the future and people don't like change and bla bla you're right they're wrong basically. And they flock to your competition and you start thinking that life isn't fair and people are idiots why can't they see how great you are?

[Kivada]

MATE doesn't seem viable.
It will doom you to legacy.
It is just maintaining the old legacy GNOME 2 with bugfixes.

I rather have GNOME 3 with gnome-fallback.

IIRC they are moving in the necessary bits of GTK to keep pace with GTK, but they will keep the UI the same forever, which is what so many people wanted in the first place.

So I like many others will stick with Mate for the foreseeable future.

We shouldn't be fixing what isn't broken just so we can chase the trend, take Windows Vista/7/8 as an example of a GUI gone wrong and getting progressively worse.